Fytharin Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I don't understand why their color scheme has such bright accent colors. The bright yellow and sometimes red make them stick out like a sore thumb and from a military standpoint, the less you are seen, the longer you stay alive. Is there a fluff reason for the colors? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/zoogarama/40k%20Mini%20pics/DSC01400.jpg This is how I've been painting mine, I substituted the yellow for a light grey but I kept the red around to keep them at least somewhat colorful. Has anyone else been switching colors around? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 for me I feel that YES it does make them stand out somewhat - tis why my scouts will be camoed-up and dark camo at that - but I feel that much like the old Samurai warriors, who would often wear bright reds and greens, it is of certain pride, they WANT the enemy to know that they're coming... As far as the Wolves (and Samurai warriors for that matter) were concerned it will instill fear in the hearts of the enemy - and from past transcripts of those who fought against the Samurai both during the Shogun Era and afterwords in the clash between modernised Japan and Ancient/Shogun Japan it did it's job well, many foes were terrified to the point of surrender or self-sacrifice after facing the warriors... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzy-xc Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Best said by a Primarch: “Do not ask me to approach the battle meekly, to creep through the shadows, or to quietly slip on my foes in the dark. I am Rogal Dorn, Imperial Fist, Space Marine, Emperor’s Champion. Let my enemies cower at my advance and tremble at the sight of me.” -Rogal Dorn Besides, power armor gives you a better save than being behind cover. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 It's explained in the Codex regarding unit assignments,; Blood Claws, Grey Hunters, Long Fangs and Scouts as ell as Wolf Guard. Read much? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyle Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 It's explained in the Codex regarding unit assignments,; Blood Claws, Grey Hunters, Long Fangs and Scouts as ell as Wolf Guard. Read much? So even the B&C has its trolls huh. What kind of an answer was that? The codex explains pretty clearly what the color choices are, but the op's question is WHY such bright colors are used. Im going to have to echo the above statements. The wolves are not hiding when they go to the murder make. They want the enemies to know who they face and want to smell the fear that insrills. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 All, Let's keep it nice please. If you can't post nicely don't post, or please somewhere else. With respect to the bright colors this is indicative of all marines and in the real world makes absolutely no sense. But this is not the real world and gw probably figured that painting everything in drab greys, browns would become very boring in this fantasy setting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornsval Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 honestly once they get on a battlefield.all the dirt and grime would end up dulling down those colors.Also after a certain distance those colors will just blend in and not make much of an impact on them being sighted. their stature will reveal alot more than the little amout of color Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
truesonofruss Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 As for the bright red and yellow I have no good military answer. But the baby blue on the other hand or the Bluish gray if you prefer is actually camo in the ice world. For those not used to the snow as snow blindness sets in your sight will see snow as the light bluish color so it fits. On the other hand they are space marines who hide from no enemy of the emperor so maybe the blue and yellow are there to stake that claim as they are hiding from no one as stated above. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Enhanced auto-senses, digital auspex readers, infrared scopes... a little bit of color will make no difference. Also, if this question is to be asked, it should be directed at UMs, Fists, Howling Gryphons and the like. If anything, we're proverbial shadows by comparison. Second, as was mentioned, not much to fear when you're a superhuman in power armor. Perhaps that's why all the IG are in camo fatigues. My guess, though... GW pride. Second edition codex is what initially started the red and yellow, and that was also when GW came out with their "now more vibrant" red and yellow citadel paints and needed a vehicle to showcase them. I've often assumed the yellow was intended to be gold, but with the new yellow paints, was perhaps reserved for only Ragnar's shoulderpad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Real life has not much to do with our games. Rule of cool wins over physics and reality according to our four dimensions. Some people don't want this to be true, as they feel it ruins their immersion into the fantasy setting. But GW doesn't seem to have such concerns. :) After all, they aren't concerned with bringing all the fluff into the tabletop game - Marines would be far killier per mini, for instance. If they don't feel that fluff [which is true regarding the universe] needs to be pedantically brought onto the table, it is a similar situation with not having to 'obey' RL rules. GW does it when it suits them, and doesn't when it doesn't. Simple :D Otherwise you'd not have dudes running around with helmets off, using swords as effectively as high-powered rifles, have giant walkers, no aerodynamics on most Imperial vehicles, etc. I could go on, but I have already made the point. 40K is Science - Fantasy, not Science - Fiction. It very much is Warhammer Fantasy in Spaaace. Not GW's equivalent of Star Trek. Otherwise all Chapters would be like the Raptor's Chapter - who are the most 'plausible' [according to RL] of the fiction written by GW. I hope that helps :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Marines colours are more like heraldry and shown with pride by most Chapters. They are not subtle tools of war either. With their size and loud arsenal of weaponry. There are a few chapters who do use camp and stealth tactic. Most notable being the Raptors. Wolves however, apart from Scouts, dont usually use stealth too often. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Volsung- Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Space Wolf grey helps blend into snows and frozen tundras. Fenrisians love the cold, and cold-weather fighting is usually a common and comfortable battlefield for Fenris-born warriors. So the brightness of Space Wolf colors in this sense could very well be because they wanted to blend with the snows and the rocky frozen crags of Asaheim. Also, since I paint my Wolves Codex Grey, my wolves can blend in snow, urban terrain, and volcanic planets no problem! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Because it looks AWESOME. One of the reasons I decided to paint Space Wolves is that the grey really helps the red and yellows pop. Of course, you can choose to have a boring monochromatic army instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakiq Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Space marines are more akin to old roman actors than soldiers, made to seem larger than life and attract all attention. Their weapons are often painted bright red and designed to cause as much sound and bloody mess as possible. The fact that they are clad in large plates of brightly colored ceramite with glowing eyes is meant to. Draw attention and invoke fear. A Space Marine doesn't march for days in camouflage to shoot you from a hidden position, he descends from the heavens on pillars of fire, wielding weapons that turns bodies inside-out and rends flesh and roaring praises to his forefathers with the voice of an angry mountain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fytharin Posted October 11, 2012 Author Share Posted October 11, 2012 Thanks everyone for the great responses. As many of you have said, this is fantasy and that's a fair point. The red I understand, yellow just seems so bright and so contrary to anything else in the Space Wolves codex even looking at it from a heraldry stand point. I'm sincerely not trying to step on anyone's toes right now, I think there are a ton of SW minis out there painted with yellow that look amazing and with the grey it definitely does pop out. For me however, even the argument of wanting to be seen and be intimidating makes me have doubts. Blood red yes accomplishes that but are you really going to intimidate them with a yellow that's borderlining lightbulb therapy? lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Try gold. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerbjørn Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Best said by a Primarch: “Do not ask me to approach the battle meekly, to creep through the shadows, or to quietly slip on my foes in the dark. I am Rogal Dorn, Imperial Fist, Space Marine, Emperor’s Champion. Let my enemies cower at my advance and tremble at the sight of me.” -Rogal Dorn Besides, power armor gives you a better save than being behind cover. Also: Camouflage is the colour of cowardice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Yellow is bright. Bright colors are easier to see. You will see yellow when that Wolf comes charging at you and it is in that instant that you realize that that Space Wolf doesn't care that you can see him, that all his hate and rage and savagery don't give one damn for what makes sense and that he is going to end you in the most painfully brutal way possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3204984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Yellow is bright. Bright colors are easier to see. You will see yellow when that Wolf comes charging at you and it is in that instant that you realize that that Space Wolf doesn't care that you can see him, that all his hate and rage and savagery don't give one damn for what makes sense and that he is going to end you in the most painfully brutal way possible. Heraldry and colors that are easily noticed will only add to the belief that the one finally closing before the foe has time to react is planning on exactly this, the above, at the moment the foe's demise shall be made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3205033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I have been painting my entire army in Grey. And I can attest that it gets boring painting grey. I think GW brightened them up to make them seem more flashy. And the heavy metal team was probably bored of grey too. Other people did give good explanations that Space Marines dont care if you see them or not. And that is a valid point too. I dont like painting yellow either. I prefer red myself. And when I paint those colors I dont paint bright like blood red or sunburst yellow. I start with the lower tones and work my way up. And the contrast with the grey armor makes those colored areas pop. Without the "lightbulb" effect you described previously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3205234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtec407 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 If I had to do it all over again, I would probably paint my sw army in black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3206505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buliwyf Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Blood red yes accomplishes that but are you really going to intimidate them with a yellow that's borderlining lightbulb therapy? lol Well said. As for additional color schemes, the short answer to your question: yes. I'm personally with you on the colors, and have modeled mine after a more pre-heresy era scheme. I'm prepared to duck any thrown mjod mugs coming my way, but I find the yellow to be just plain gaudy. Nevermind a militaristic/fluff standpoint, I've chosen to believe the yellow pads were not Russ' intent, but an addition of later Lords (you may now burn me and call me a heretic). Instead, my color scheme consists of a codex grey and fortress grey highlight in substitution for the blue - though I have no qualms with the blue itself, I just like grey better. Because I absolutely abhor the yellow, I use dwarven bronze for my wolf guard and copper for my grey hunters. http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa350/AlanNBeck/IMG_2055.jpg If you want some more ideas, I'd head over to the guys at space-wolves-grey. Adam's color scheme/army is one that has given me a lot of inspiration, and I've unashamedly stolen from it. Pre-Heresy Wolves Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3226863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn_the_Heretic Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I'm stuck on this. I don't know whether to do it in the normal style or the darker pre-heresy grey. I think the darker grey is more realistic and fits with the "grim dark" and Viking style I've come to enjoy after reading BotF. On the other hand, the models in the army book look very nice. It might be easier to do the darker grey though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3226948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I don't understand why their color scheme has such bright accent colors. yellow hard color to use . contrast with blue grey or any forms of it shades . means you use up more colors. more colores used from a popular army means more paints sold . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263005-why-the-bright-colors/#findComment-3226952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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