Your opinion on LR gun placing.

[Astoran]

I'm gonna add a Landraider or two to my army in the near future and are looking at the redeemer one. Yes the word is that the crusader is better but nothing says IN YOUR FACE as a huge flamer so I will go with the rule of cool (and magnets).

The thing is I am leaning towards placing the guns at the front doors and have the access point behind the guns. Why you ask? Because noone in their right fluids would step out in front of a flamestorm cannon. Some triggerhappy crewmember might just flame your guys by accident.

So my question is the following. Could this be regarded as cheeting as the range of the flamers would improve by a inch or so?

 

Thanks for reading

Redbeard

[dswanick]

Games Workshop officially endorses your plan : http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...er1_873x627.jpg

 

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1860184_99120101070_40kSMRedeemer1_873x627.jpg

[Hfran Morkai]

The Redeemer is the only pattern I'd choose to put the weapons forward to be honest, and I still don't like the aesthetics of it (which is why the weapons on my Land Raiders were all rear mounted, looked better).

 

Then again, working on Heresy era stuff now I don't get much choice in weapon placement lol.

[Max_Dammit]

Why put them in the back, you can do more with the extra door at the back, gives you more options to charge out of

[Hfran Morkai]

Why put them in the back, you can do more with the extra door at the back, gives you more options to charge out of

 

Because I hate the way it looks, I don't particularly care if it disadvantages me.

 

And for me its Fluff>Models>Rules

[Reichfaust]

I don't like the look of it, I would much prefer having the weapons at the back door, and if I had any Godhammer LR's I probably would, because it isn't gonna make that much of a range difference for those Lascannons. But seeing as all of my Land Raiders are of the Redeeming and Crusading variety, it definitely matters, so I gotta take my lumps and mount the guns in the front.

[Freakiq]

I think they look more brutal with the weapons in the foremost mountings.

 

If I ever got a standard Phobos pattern I might mount them at the back though.

[Max_Dammit]

Fluff

 

 

Get out out out

 

NOOO NOT THE SIDE DOOR *FREEEEEEEEEMMM*

[Schertenleib]

My land Raiders use the front mount. It never made sense to me to jump out of a door in front of a large gun mount.

[Blacksad]

that, and using the doors behind the big guns gives your men "cover" while descending.

[Hfran Morkai]

Fluff

 

 

Get out out out

 

NOOO NOT THE SIDE DOOR *FREEEEEEEEEMMM*

 

While this made me chuckle I still hold my ground.

 

And I'd expect the Land Raider's crew to be competent enough to not open fire whilst their brothers disembark and clear the vehicle.

[Jimmy Carmine]

I've always liked them up front, ever since the new model came out back in 3rd edition with that awesome artwork of Rynn's Might.

 

http://jim028.net/img/Land_Raider.jpg

[Astoran]

Thank you all for your input. From what I can read noone think its wrong to model the guns up front.

If I were to disembark from a LR I would want all the guns blazing without having to worry about taking blue on blue fire =)

[-Volsung-]

Put it in the front.

 

For me personally, it looks rather silly in the back, considering it gets in the way of the hatch.

 

If anything, if placed in the front, the back hatch can be opened while in a full drive, and the Iron Priest can lash a rope to his armor and to the inside of the land raider or what not, then lean out and fix the damn gun if it breaks or jams.

 

Also, consider if the tank takes a missile or a shot that destroy the sponson lascannon, and it slams front-ram first into a concrete wall or flips to its side, that hatch might just be the only way out. The twin-linked lascannon might just get stuck and jam the way for the door, and then how would the men leave the wrecked vehicle?

 

Front is the way to go, brother!

[Ullr Direfang]

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/rs2b.jpg

 

Personally I want this, with Space Wolf doors.

[Chef Wulfen]

Yea front for me so I can drop the back doors and storm the trenches flames or bolters rawring

[Valerian]

For those concerned about jumping out in front of the guns:

 

You know the little switch in your refrigerator that turns on the light when you open the door? Yes? Well, several millennia ago the Adeptus Mechanicus installed similar safety switches onto all Land Raiders that disengages the sponson weaponry while side hatches are opened. It was a wonderful modification that has saved the lives of untold thousands of Marines, with the investment of a few Imperial Credits each, spent at local Radio Shacks throughout the galaxy.

 

Valerian

[Schertenleib]

The light goes out in the fridge! <_<

[Bran Scalphunter]

For those concerned about jumping out in front of the guns:

 

You know the little switch in your refrigerator that turns on the light when you open the door? Yes? Well, several millennia ago the Adeptus Mechanicus installed similar safety switches onto all Land Raiders that disengages the sponson weaponry while side hatches are opened. It was a wonderful modification that has saved the lives of untold thousands of Marines, with the investment of a few Imperial Credits each, spent at local Radio Shacks throughout the galaxy.

 

Valerian

 

My refrigerator doesn't have one of those oddly enough. We have to manually turn it on or off when we go into the fridge. :P

[Max_Dammit]

Lost technology

[ironking]

You can also convert your flame storm cannons but cutting them and extending them a bit :( for that extra tiny bit of range

[Beef]

Aesthetically speaking the sponsoons look better on the back, but modelling for advantage with the flames storms cannons lack of range they may be a few inches better by them being placed at the fron. As you all are aware in life and in games of 40K that extra inch or two can go a long way. :tu:

[Lord Ragnarok]

I just can't get over the idea of troops getting out and being blasted by overzealous tank gunners. I'd stick em on the front. Not to mention gaming advantages.

[Anaraion]

For those concerned about jumping out in front of the guns:

 

You know the little switch in your refrigerator that turns on the light when you open the door? Yes? Well, several millennia ago the Adeptus Mechanicus installed similar safety switches onto all Land Raiders that disengages the sponson weaponry while side hatches are opened. It was a wonderful modification that has saved the lives of untold thousands of Marines, with the investment of a few Imperial Credits each, spent at local Radio Shacks throughout the galaxy.

 

Valerian

 

 

With apologies, please allow an ex US Army Cavalry and Long Range Recon Officer to present a counter point...

 

You are correct a simple mechanical issue could fix the physical concerns, but this ignores the tactical reality. In real life (and I know 40k has little in common with that), when troops move by either rushing a location or disgorging from a transport, in effective units there is always a max amount of support or covering fire from the rest of the unit that remains stationary. The more bullets you can get down range, the less the enemy will be peering above their cover and shooting at your exposed rushing battle brothers.

 

By placing the guns behind the hatches not only do you place lives at risk due the dependability of an extra mechanical part (and the rule in the field is it will break...), but you also provide less security for the troops while they manuver. All in all it just makes no sense tactically to place guns behind the hatches as you trust their lives to a mechanical part, and also reduce your combat effectiveness. There is literally no benefit and two potentially deadly issues.

 

Now this being a game, rule of cool certainly applies, so please do not think I am telling you how you should model your models. I am just pointing to issues in the logic presented for your choice.

 

Thank you for the consideration and sorry for the interuption... /bow.

[Valerian]

For those concerned about jumping out in front of the guns:

 

You know the little switch in your refrigerator that turns on the light when you open the door? Yes? Well, several millennia ago the Adeptus Mechanicus installed similar safety switches onto all Land Raiders that disengages the sponson weaponry while side hatches are opened. It was a wonderful modification that has saved the lives of untold thousands of Marines, with the investment of a few Imperial Credits each, spent at local Radio Shacks throughout the galaxy.

 

Valerian

 

 

With apologies, please allow an ex US Army Cavalry and Long Range Recon Officer to present a counter point...

 

You are correct a simple mechanical issue could fix the physical concerns, but this ignores the tactical reality. In real life (and I know 40k has little in common with that), when troops move by either rushing a location or disgorging from a transport, in effective units there is always a max amount of support or covering fire from the rest of the unit that remains stationary. The more bullets you can get down range, the less the enemy will be peering above their cover and shooting at your exposed rushing battle brothers.

 

By placing the guns behind the hatches not only do you place lives at risk due the dependability of an extra mechanical part (and the rule in the field is it will break...), but you also provide less security for the troops while they manuver. All in all it just makes no sense tactically to place guns behind the hatches as you trust their lives to a mechanical part, and also reduce your combat effectiveness. There is literally no benefit and two potentially deadly issues.

 

Thanks for torpedoing my obviously meant to be taken lightly post, Mister "ex US Army Cavalry and Long Range Recon Officer". I had no idea about the real life physical, mechanical, and tactical concerns.

 

EDIT: I have also been notified from the Forges that the Machine Spirits of the Land Raider fleet is now highly offended by your post and lack of faith in the sanctity of their holy mechanisms. The fleet refuses to participate in any engagements until penance is performed. It has been determined that you must perform anointment of all lubrication points for the entire fleet from holy oils that have been sanctified on Mars on the anniversary of the Emperor's Ascension, as well as apply Windex to all vision ports, and Armor All all of the dash-boards.

 

 

Valerian

ex US Army Cavalry Officer