Bongfu Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 So this question came up in my list building for an upcoming game. If a unit of Wolf Guard is used as battle leaders for squads and it buys a dedicated Land Raider transport, can it then be used as a dedicated for a unit that wolf guard joins? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare84 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I don't have my codex with me to check the wording. But question is why not take it from the heavy slot? Except for maybe 1850 you should have 1 spare slot. (2k+ you obviously have to 2x foc) And besides taking it at heavy means its scoring in big guns never tire Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3208532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongfu Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 I don't have my codex with me to check the wording. But question is why not take it from the heavy slot? Except for maybe 1850 you should have 1 spare slot. (2k+ you obviously have to 2x foc)And besides taking it at heavy means its scoring in big guns never tire For the purposes of Saga of the Hunter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3208546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 So this question came up in my list building for an upcoming game. If a unit of Wolf Guard is used as battle leaders for squads and it buys a dedicated Land Raider transport, can it then be used as a dedicated for a unit that wolf guard joins? Wolf Guard can be assigned out as Pack Leaders, not Battle Leaders. A Wolf Guard Battle Leader is an HQ choice and an Independent Character. Back to your question, the answer is no. You can't "reassign" a dedicated transport to a unit that a WGPL has joined. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3208548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongfu Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 So this question came up in my list building for an upcoming game. If a unit of Wolf Guard is used as battle leaders for squads and it buys a dedicated Land Raider transport, can it then be used as a dedicated for a unit that wolf guard joins? Wolf Guard can be assigned out as Pack Leaders, not Battle Leaders. A Wolf Guard Battle Leader is an HQ choice and an Independent Character. Back to your question, the answer is no. You can't "reassign" a dedicated transport to a unit that a WGPL has joined. Valerian Does it say that somewhere in the rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3208555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 So this question came up in my list building for an upcoming game. If a unit of Wolf Guard is used as battle leaders for squads and it buys a dedicated Land Raider transport, can it then be used as a dedicated for a unit that wolf guard joins? Wolf Guard can be assigned out as Pack Leaders, not Battle Leaders. A Wolf Guard Battle Leader is an HQ choice and an Independent Character. Back to your question, the answer is no. You can't "reassign" a dedicated transport to a unit that a WGPL has joined. Valerian Does it say that somewhere in the rules? It doesn't say it specifically. However, it does say that he is split off from his wolf guard pack and leads is new squad. only the unit that has the lr as its dedicated transport may start the game on it. Because the squad he joins doesn't become wg when he joins the group, that unit is still limited the dedicated transports it has in its entry. Edit: Also, it's on the SW FAQ on page 4. Q: If a Wolf Guard Pack Leader has joined a unit of Troops, does that unit cease to be a scoring unit? And does the Wolf Guard cease to count as an Elite model? (p86) A: When a Wolf Guard model joins another unit because of his Pack Leader special rule he becomes part of that unit to all intents and purposes. For instance, a Pack Leader that leads a Troops unit will still be able to claim an objective even if his Troops unit is wiped out – he is considered to be part of that Troops unit. He would also still be able to deploy in a mission that only allows Troops units to be deployed at first. Conversely, a Pack Leader that leads a Long Fang unit is counted as part of a Heavy Support choice, even if under the effects of Logan Grimnar’s The Great Wolf special rule. This also applies to the calculation of victory points – the Wolf Guard who have been split off from their original Wolf Guard unit count as part of their assigned unit in all respects. For example, I have a Wolf Guard squad of 10 and I like to split 3 of them off to be Wolf Guard Pack Leaders, one to lead my Blood Claws, one to lead my Grey Hunters, one to lead my Long Fangs. My opponent would score one victory point if he kills off all 7 of the Wolf Guard left in the squad after splitting, who are still forming a ‘normal’ unit. He doesn't need to kill all 10 of the Wolf Guard to get that victory point, as the other three Wolf Guard are now part of other squads. Conversely, because the Wolf Guard Pack Leaders are attached to these new squads, he would not score a victory point for killing those squads unless he kills ALL of the models in those packs, including the Wolf Guard Pack Leaders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3208572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helosv Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Hello, if you want to use a unit with the saga of the hunter with a land raider (as you cannot use the scout team.....), you can give to your WG unit an HQ: 1 wolf priest without TDA (but 100 points) or 1 WG battle leader without TDA (70 points) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3208932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare84 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Just seems like a lot of points off the board... 430ish points with minimum naked wolf guard and a wolf priest. If you could still assault when you arrive I would be into it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3209042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdogg Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 if you want to use a unit with the saga of the hunter with a land raider (as you cannot use the scout team.....) Huh? Before deployment you can stick the scouts in the land raider. It benefits from their outflank, if placed in reserve. Right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3209061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Just seems like a lot of points off the board... 430ish points with minimum naked wolf guard and a wolf priest.If you could still assault when you arrive I would be into it. It's still pretty effective for what it does though. Basically, get the multi melta. the turn it comes in from reserves fire the mm at your biggest vehicle threat (due to potms) and unload with the Ac and twin linked heavy bolsters into your biggest foot threat. If theyre using a defense line, you can completely obliterate whatever they have behind it. The next turn do the same and assault their scoring units. Most armys should be hard pressed to deal with that and any frontal pressure you can provide. Play defensive until it comes in and you should be set to profit in the havoc It may not be the most effective strategy but it should ensure that you get pressure in their backfield which I know I've been having trouble with as a foot slogging force Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3209141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongfu Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 if you want to use a unit with the saga of the hunter with a land raider (as you cannot use the scout team.....) Huh? Before deployment you can stick the scouts in the land raider. It benefits from their outflank, if placed in reserve. Right? No because the Land Raider is not a dedicated transport for Scouts. Thanks for clearing it up. I will have to just look at my list some more. I'm already running a pretty outflanky list with Bran at the head, so I think it will work out. I just immensely enjoy Land Raiders, so I was looking for an excuse to stick one in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3209810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Hello,if you want to use a unit with the saga of the hunter with a land raider (as you cannot use the scout team.....), you can give to your WG unit an HQ: 1 wolf priest without TDA (but 100 points) or 1 WG battle leader without TDA (70 points) ICs in TDA can't take Saga of the Hunter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3209989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven_Bloodhowl Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Hello,if you want to use a unit with the saga of the hunter with a land raider (as you cannot use the scout team.....), you can give to your WG unit an HQ: 1 wolf priest without TDA (but 100 points) or 1 WG battle leader without TDA (70 points) ICs in TDA can't take Saga of the Hunter. Which is why he states 'without' TDA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3210001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Hello,if you want to use a unit with the saga of the hunter with a land raider (as you cannot use the scout team.....), you can give to your WG unit an HQ: 1 wolf priest without TDA (but 100 points) or 1 WG battle leader without TDA (70 points) ICs in TDA can't take Saga of the Hunter. Which is why he states 'without' TDA. Hey, at 5:30am it looked like "with TDA"... :D Sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3210351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrus Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 So this question came up in my list building for an upcoming game. If a unit of Wolf Guard is used as battle leaders for squads and it buys a dedicated Land Raider transport, can it then be used as a dedicated for a unit that wolf guard joins? Wolf Guard can be assigned out as Pack Leaders, not Battle Leaders. A Wolf Guard Battle Leader is an HQ choice and an Independent Character. Back to your question, the answer is no. You can't "reassign" a dedicated transport to a unit that a WGPL has joined. Valerian Does it say that somewhere in the rules? It is people like you that make me cry and weep for the future of the world Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263357-wolf-guard-battle-leaders-and-land-raiders/#findComment-3211968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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