Olis Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 As the title says - You can now make a genuine, official Adeptus Mechanicus only list that fulfills minimum FOC requirements (although this isn't exactly the newest of news, I thought I'd bring it up). There is an HQ unit hiding behind a flyer and couple of titan entries and a single type of Troops (and an entry for a dedicated Mechanicus Land Raider, too) detailed in Betrayal. :) So, to spin out a discussion from this - what sort of general units would you hope to see in the coming series of books? Is there any sort of wishlist that you would like to see, personally? Any particular skitarii or servitor types that tickle your fancy? Perhaps some armoured units? For me, some praetorians for an Elites choice would be nice, as well as some 'generic' skitarii Troops. I'd also like to see the same variety of options a Legion praetor gets go to a Magos entry, given the differing flavours of Magi in the fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 EVERYTHING! and then: Dark Mechanicus (again, thrice), Auxilia Myrmidon Secutores (!), Legio Cybernetica Cataphractes, Kelbor-Hal, the Kaban Machine. but meanwhile: So, what does everyone think about the Reductor list? Pretty limited as it is, but the choices are really not bad. Decima's Master of Destruction ability will be nasty, also the 2nd artillery squadron, the flyer is great and the Thallax are very effective allrounders (love djinn-sight!). Still, I wonder why automata did not carry heavy weapons back then and would have liked techmarines as IC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3210642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 Well, I'm glad someone responded. I was getting quite worried there. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3211461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Hehe, yes, the AM subforum is not the most frequented one. Be that as it may, I am very pleased that "more mechanicum forces" were announced for book II, massacre. I am positive that we will see non-loyalist forces now after decima's reductor, "techpriests with perverted technologies" are mentioned (most likely sonic weaponry, scrapcode). Possibly rules for Regulus and Legio Cybernetica, although he would have been on his way to mars at the time. Anything else I forgot? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3211515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 Do you have a link to that announcement? If you have, I'd love to see it. I would love to see what FW does when they re-invent the Cybernetica. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3211616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 here, it's the forgeworld Q&A from UK Gamesday: the perverted technologies are mentioned in Fulgrim, it's the stuff they got from the auretian technocracy, sonic weapons IIRC. I'm officially hyped for scrapcode rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3211725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 So does anyone have any good ideas on the best way to put the allied detachment to the best use within the Betrayal list? I'm curious as the best way to integrate them into a non Apoc list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3213889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilbram_Harker Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 What book is this again? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3213910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Horus Heresy 1: Betrayal, from Forge World. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3213926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 So does anyone have any good ideas on the best way to put the allied detachment to the best use within the Betrayal list? I'm curious as the best way to integrate them into a non Apoc list. Personally, I would pay for an extra member in the unit to bring it up to four (as part of one troops choice), attach the Magos and give them a dedicated Land Raider Transport, give them Phase-Plasma Fusils and maybe one Photon Thruster and use the unit as a close-support linebreaker. Same goes for the other troops choice except no LR, no magos and I'd max out the unit numbers. That one I'd use as back up for the first unit and something to shoot at troops in cover (Djinn-sight reduces cover saves). (I must say I'm somewhat disappointed there isn't the option for Volkite weaponry on Thallax troops.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3214131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 (I must say I'm somewhat disappointed there isn't the option for Volkite weaponry on Thallax troops.)They saved those for the "Reductor Myrmidon" slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3214174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 (I must say I'm somewhat disappointed there isn't the option for Volkite weaponry on Thallax troops.)They saved those for the "Reductor Myrmidon" slot. I hope they saved them for someone. Reductor Myrmidons are as good a choice as any. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3214199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoDoc Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 I hope they saved them for someone. Reductor Myrmidons are as good a choice as any. :(The list is represented by:HQ: The Special Character Elite: Legion Techmarine Covenant (These are the counts as Reductor Myrmidons I referred to earlier) They replace their Legion rule with stubborn. Troops: You already know. Fast Attack: Avenger Strike Fighter Heavy Support: Legion Artillery Tank Squadron Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3214251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I would pay for an extra member in the unit to bring it up to four (as part of one troops choice), attach the Magos and give them a dedicated Land Raider Transport, give them Phase-Plasma Fusils and maybe one Photon Thruster and use the unit as a close-support linebreaker. Same goes for the other troops choice except no LR, no magos and I'd max out the unit numbers. That one I'd use as back up for the first unit and something to shoot at troops in cover (Djinn-sight reduces cover saves). Hm, I would not attach an infantry character to a jetpack unit, nor give them a transport. Decima isn't an independent character either, so he'll be with his automata only. Remember you can only have a special weapon for every 3 thallax, so keep the units in multiples of 3. Their standart lightning gun (18" S7 AP5, heavy 1, shred, rending) isn't really good at all, but propably best used at short range against light vehicles, so I'd recommend a simple multi-melta and destructor augments. The photon thruster is really the best weapon option - too bad you have to take 2 expensive ablative thallax for one. Oh and meltabombs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3217720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 Hm, I would not attach an infantry character to a jetpack unit, nor give them a transport. Decima isn't an independent character either, so he'll be with his automata only. Remember you can only have a special weapon for every 3 thallax, so keep the units in multiples of 3. Their standart lightning gun (18" S7 AP5, heavy 1, shred, rending) isn't really good at all, but propably best used at short range against light vehicles, so I'd recommend a simple multi-melta and destructor augments. The photon thruster is really the best weapon option - too bad you have to take 2 expensive ablative thallax for one. Oh and meltabombs. Whoops. Completely overlooked Decima not being an independent character. :( Interesting load-out, going for the anti-vehicle route. I can certainly see the merits of such a strategy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263419-betrayal/#findComment-3218254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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