spu00sed Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I decided to do a breakdown of which sergeant can swap what Veteran tactical sergeant Swap bolter for ranged weapon Swap chainsword for close combat weapon May not swap bolt pistol Destroyer sergeant Swap chainsword for a close combat weapon May be one of 5 to swap bolt pistol for close combat weapon Terminator sergeant May swap combibolter for ranged weapon May swap power sword for close combat weapon May swap both for pair o claws Tactical sergeant May swap bolter for one weapon May not swap bolt pistol May not swap close combat weapon Assault sergeant May swap bolter pistol for ranged weapon May swap power sword for close combat weapon May swap both for pair o claws Breacher sergeant May swap bolter for a ranged weapon May swap bolter or bolt pistol for one close combat weapon Support squad sergeant May take a ranged weapon May swap bolt pistol for a ranged weapon May swap chainsword for a close combat weapon Recon squad sergeant May swap bolt pistol or bolter for one close combat weapon May swap bolter for a ranged weapon Seeker sergeant May swap bolter for a ranged weapon May take a close combat weapon Can’t swap bolt pistol Outrider sergeant May swap his bolt pistol for another pistol May swap chainsword for a close combat weapon Sky hunter sergeant May swap bolt pistol for another pistol May swap chainsword for a close combat weapon Heavy support sergeant May take a bolter May swap bolt pistol for another pistol May swap chainsword for a close combat weapon Now why did I do this? Apart from to get to know my Codex. I wanted to look at the options for the different sergeants and it appears that the tactical sergeant got the short straw. He starts with a bolter and a bolt pistol and can buy a close combat weapon and then swap his bolter for a “special” weapon form the usual sergeant ranged and close combat weapons. This means he will always have a bolt pistol ( chain sword) and something Examples Bolt pistol and plasma pistol Bolt pistol chainsword and power fist Bolt pistol chainsword and lightning claw Compare this to the heavy weapon sergeant, who can take any weapon selection seen in the modern codex Examples Bolter, bolt pistol, chainsword Bolter, power sword, plasma pistol Bolter, power fist, plasma pistol Lascannon So now my question. Did FW purposely decide to reduce the options on the tactical sergeant compared to other sergeants? If so, why? From the options available it seems like they are not restricting on build possibilities, since other sergeants have the builds they don’t supply. Is it a typo? Or is it to make me buy more models to buy more models to replaced my existing sergeants? What is the meaning of the either x or y for one Does it mean I can only swap one weapon? Or can I swap both weapons, but only take one choice for each swap? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 So now my question.Did FW purposely decide to reduce the options on the tactical sergeant compared to other sergeants? If so, why? I'm inclined to think yes they purposely did restrict the tactical sergeant's loadout. Why? Emphasis on the bog standard unit. The are a great variety of squads open to a Legion list. What distances the tactical squad from the others? Generic-ness. No fuss, no muss. Just there to make up the numbers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3211611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinvs Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 The are a great variety of squads open to a Legion list. Agree with you but not completely. We have only three options for fill compulsory slots of Troops. If you don't find place of Breacher or Assault squads in vision of your army you have only Tactical squad. And Tactical squad id IMHO very-very restricted :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3212069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 The Tactical squad should be the bread and butter unit though. Bolter fire is always the Space Marine mainstay and the Legion list takes it to the 11th degree. They don't ever have to sit back and snipe with a single heavy weapon, instead advancing and laying down buckets of bolter fire. Keep the squad cheap and buy bodies in bulk, or buy a rhino for a 160 point troop ( 10 marines, combi weapon on the sergeant ) for a fast moving objective grabber and light to medium infantry killing unit. Breachers are very specialised, as are Assault marines. You won't always need to get that close to the enemy, and if you upgrade Tacticals to Despoilers ( with extra CCW's ), they become excellent mainstay units, if a bit pricey towards the 20 strong end of things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3212079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 What about a 10 strong tac squad in a rhino, and swap their bolters for chainswords/combat blades? or 20man and buy a landraider to stick em in :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3212292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinvs Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 What about a 10 strong tac squad in a rhino, and swap their bolters for chainswords/combat blades? or 20man and buy a landraider to stick em in ;) For 20 men it can have reason, IMHO, but for 10 it have not - the squad cannot assault from Rhino, that means they will stay under fire :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3212533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Land Raiders have a transport cap of 10 too. Only 20 man transports the Legion has are Storm Eagles or Spartans. And the Eagles aren't dedicated unless you go with a specific Rite of War. So 20 man squads are the realm of the footslogging Legion builds. Pretty potent though, especially if you take 3 squads of the buggers with 3 Apothecaries to make them harder to kill. Some 60 bolter carrying guys bearing down on you is pretty scary, and Legion Tacticals put out a horrendous amount of bolter fire over the course of the game. In a 750 point game, one of my Tactical squads spent most of the game blazing away with bolters and racked up a huge kill tally in enemy space marines, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3212650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinvs Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Land Raiders have a transport cap of 10 too. Only 20 man transports the Legion has are Storm Eagles or Spartans. And the Eagles aren't dedicated unless you go with a specific Rite of War. Of course the Eagle is not dedicated, but we can take the Eagle in same way as Spartan in the FA (HS) choice. For 20-men tactical IMHO the Eagle can be interesting choice, it can be very good support when come from reserve on 2+ turn. I'm not sure that it will be very poverful, but to my mind it can be nice, fluffy and interesting. I going to place one 15-men in the Eagle in my amy, not sure about more (point cost is very high). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3212670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 My bad, I meant a Spartan :sweat: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3212685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Land Raiders have a transport cap of 10 too. Only 20 man transports the Legion has are Storm Eagles or Spartans. And the Eagles aren't dedicated unless you go with a specific Rite of War. Of course the Eagle is not dedicated, but we can take the Eagle in same way as Spartan in the FA (HS) choice. For 20-men tactical IMHO the Eagle can be interesting choice, it can be very good support when come from reserve on 2+ turn. I'm not sure that it will be very poverful, but to my mind it can be nice, fluffy and interesting. I going to place one 15-men in the Eagle in my amy, not sure about more (point cost is very high). You'd be looking at almost 400 points or more for such a choice. It'll be awesome though, so points be dammned. The Eagle is, however a dedicated choice for the Recon squad, so if you want to squeeze in another Eagle that might be a way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3213208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinvs Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 You'd be looking at almost 400 points or more for such a choice. It'll be awesome though, so points be dammned. The Eagle is, however a dedicated choice for the Recon squad, so if you want to squeeze in another Eagle that might be a way. Yes, the 15-men squad with bit of upgrades for sergeant and Eagle with mmelta and ceramit will 460 pts :D It realy terrible point's cost. But I definately want to place Eagle or more to battlefield. I played now with units from the Legion Army List in my mind and try to find fluffy, beatuful and as possible working set of units for my RG army. Of course, when FW will create the book for second part of Isstvan 5, I will have more fluffy selections :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3213313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Corvinvs, for a fluffy RG group, think... either 10 man Tacticals in Rhinos, Assault Marine units, or tacticals in Eagles, backed up by Recon squads and Veteran tacticals and Rapier batteries? The RG might have hit hard, but they did prepare the battlefield to their advantage, so I can easily see them placing heavy weapons platforms in advantageous positions. Laser Destroyer platforms are only 55 points each and give some hefty punch to your Assault Marine blocks or Tactical advances. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263604-sergeant-loadout-options/#findComment-3213697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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