ZAChos Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Hey Guys. The release of the forgeworld Horus Heresy book has made me think huge amounts about the possibilities of a prospero burns book. The thing I'm wondering though, is exactly how different will a HH Wolves army be to a 40k one. My thinking is that the reason space wolves are so different to codex marines in 40k is because they prefer to fight The Way Russ Intended, so surely a 40k list should be very similar to a 30k wolf list, bar the inclusion of Sisters of Silence and Custodes for their fight against the foul witches of Magnus. So what do you guys think would be different in a 30k wolf army to a 40k one? Thanks Zac Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263606-space-wolves-in-the-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_angel Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Excellent point. It's always been stressed that the Wolves didn't really change from their pre-heresy incarnation so it'll be interesting to see what FW does with it. Having said that, remember that they did make some token gestures following Guilliman's introduction of the codex (Wolf Brothers successors) so there may have been other, minor, adjustments that they felt wouldn't be an issue which could become apparent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263606-space-wolves-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3211645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPO Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The only thing I can see changing is the scale and the now forgotten equipment that 30k Wolves would have had. I'm curious to know what Terran Space Wolves would have been like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263606-space-wolves-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3211777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I would imagine a wulfen squad option maybe some squad melee weapon options that are like the ones the world eaters got. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263606-space-wolves-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3213497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostclaw222 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I think squad size will go up in accordance with the legion-scale. I think a wulfen skirmisher squad might come to pass, but I don't think it'll be something you can spam. I'd love to see each Wolf Lord that served under Russ detailed like the ones in the Codex are. I imagine the squad types will reflect those laid out in Visions of the Heresy series. I'd really like to see Forge World do some more variants of the Fenrisian Wolves and have them compatible with the GW bits to a degree. I think it'd be great to add some variety and provide a model with multiple uses. As far as available special characters, I imagine (in addition to Russ, of course) we'll see Bjorn, possibly Hauser, possibly Fith Godsmote, maybe a Rune Priest or two, and possibly a few "new" characters ginned up by FW Design staff. Rules tweaks we should see: Probably no splitfire on the Long Fang equivalent, but a bunch more shooters and a few more options for loading out the pack. Possibly some new sagas, which I'd love. Wolf Scouts might be replaced or have an option added to put them in power armor, since apparently power armor could be used stealthily back then. But I'm willing to wager we'll still see Fenris Bloods as Blood Claws equivalents and whatever the Grey Hunter equivalent is, and then some different permutations to match up to legion squad list options. Definitely a Wolves Contemptor. I'm less certain what we'll see with respect to Wolf and Iron Priests. Or if we'll see more Rune Priest powers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263606-space-wolves-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3214933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommie Soule Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Interesting thread. It's churning my brains to crud trying to conjure some of the possibilities, but yes having read prospero burns just adding the sisters etc seems too easy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263606-space-wolves-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3216530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I think the other thing to keep in mind is that the books appear to be organized around a specific set of battles, so It would seem to be rather arbitrary to do something like "Prospero Burns" without also fielding Sisters and Custodes. Prior to a book potentially coming out, I was planning on using the GK codex for HH Wolves, with Wolf Guard as Paladins, Custodes as GK Terminators, regular Wolves as Purifiers/PA Knights and Sisters as Culexus assassins. Don't know how well that would have worked, but it's been an interesting modeling exercise so far and it seemed fairly close to the fluff for the most part. My two yen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263606-space-wolves-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3216648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I think the other thing to keep in mind is that the books appear to be organized around a specific set of battles, so It would seem to be rather arbitrary to do something like "Prospero Burns" without also fielding Sisters and Custodes. Well, yes and no. Part of the books seem to deal with a specific set of battles, but the rest is general information about the Legions. The army list that they provided is a "Legion Army List", with each Legion having alterations to that generic list. It isn't stated to be a "Istvaan Massacre list", or anything of the kind. The Battle for Prospero book will most likely feature rules for SoS and Custodes, yes, but they'll be generic add-ons to all Loyalist forces, not "Space Wolf only, because they fought together in this one battle once". To put it another way, when they introduce the Custodes and Sisters of Silence, why would they have them unable to be used by the Ultramarines, Blood Angels, and other Loyal Legions? Sure, we know of one example when they fought alongside the Space Wolves, but that wasn't the only engagement they ever fought in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263606-space-wolves-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3216755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I personally think the legion list with a few tweaks will represent the wolves nicely, just tack on a few characters and a special squad or two and it should be good to go. For the thousand sons they will surely have something that will give squads "brotherhood of psykers" and a spell based off their discipline, I would also think they would have an option for taking librarians in in a 1-3 detatchment like apothecaries and techmarines, sprinkle some characters and throw in a prospero spireguard army list and the book is complete. All in my humble opinion of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263606-space-wolves-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3216820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAChos Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 To put it another way, when they introduce the Custodes and Sisters of Silence, why would they have them unable to be used by the Ultramarines, Blood Angels, and other Loyal Legions? Sure, we know of one example when they fought alongside the Space Wolves, but that wasn't the only engagement they ever fought in. The mention of the Sisters and Custodes was more about the difference between the wolves then to now, not differentiated from other legions. I would imagine that Prospero would be the book that contains rules for them though, as I believe it was the first time they were dispatched en masse, except for the assignments to the Word Bearer legion. I may be wrong about this though. What does everyone think about the grey Hunter/Blood Claw rules? Legion vets as grey hunters, with tac squads/assault squads as Blood claws? Some (very old) fluff stated that they don't really like teleporting. Will terminators have the option of drop pods maybe? Thanks for the thoughts guys. Keep them coming. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/263606-space-wolves-in-the-heresy/#findComment-3216917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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