Grimtooth Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 So I was thinking of running Lucius with a unit of Slaneesh iconed/marked Chosen. My question involves Lucius and how his special armor will interact with the Feel No Pain granted by the icon. If I am reading it right along with the rule for FnP, wounds that are negated by FnP are discounted and treated as saved. Do these FnP negated wounds that are treated as saved then kick in the Armor of Shrieking Souls str 4 AP 2 hits? If so, suddenly Lucius got very interesting for me beyond his just my want to use him for his fluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Lucius' entry (pg 62) says 'For each Armour save or Invul save Lucius passes' so if he fails those then it doesn't kick in even if he passes his FNP, which IIRC, is no longer classed as a save at all. He's still just an overpriced Doom Siren, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 Lucius' entry (pg 62) says 'For each Armour save or Invul save Lucius passes' so if he fails those then it doesn't kick in even if he passes his FNP, which IIRC, is no longer classed as a save at all. He's still just an overpriced Doom Siren, tbh. FnP is not considered a save anymore, but the wording does tell you to treat the wound as if it had been saved. That means you treat it as if you passed the 3+ or 5+ if you make your FnP roll. That is my rationale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Plus he isn't an overpriced doom siren he laughs in the face of high WS opponents and goes toe to toe with them, his lash reduces enemy attacks and his armour can hit back at deadly AP now. Not to mention the standard fearless, veteran of the long war etc special rules he has all for only 165pts which his the same if not actually less than a build your own slaaneshi lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatefires Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Yeah he is really good IMO, Last game I played he smoked Khârn before he even got to swing at me, its just the Tzeentch gods turned him into a spawn after he smoked the Aspiring champion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 This wasn't so much as an attempt to cheese anything, just more of wondering if there was an interaction between the wound treated as being saved and the armor. Either way, the way I will be running him practically ensures plenty of deathly stimulii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 FnP is not considered a save anymore, but the wording does tell you to treat the wound as if it had been saved. This is correct. That means you treat it as if you passed the 3+ or 5+ if you make your FnP roll. No. The FNP roll saves the wound, not the Armour or Invul save which are the saves that trigger the Ap 2 return strike. That is my rationale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 FnP is not considered a save anymore, but the wording does tell you to treat the wound as if it had been saved. This is correct. That means you treat it as if you passed the 3+ or 5+ if you make your FnP roll. No. The FNP roll saves the wound, not the Armour or Invul save which are the saves that trigger the Ap 2 return strike. That is my rationale. The problem with your assertion is that the rule goes out of the way to tell you that FnP is not a save. The FnP roll discounts the wound and tells you to treat it as saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empchildrenbob Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 if lucius' special rule only comes into effect when he saves an armour or invulnerable why is this question even being asked. Feel no pain doesnt count as either one so even if he passed his FnP it wouldnt count towards the special rule. Kinda simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Yeah it quite categorically states "armour or invulnerable" save, there is no grey area here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 The problem with your assertion is that the rule goes out of the way to tell you that FnP is not a save. The FnP roll discounts the wound and tells you to treat it as saved. Yes, the wound is saved, and as such is ignored. However, it was not saved by his armour or invulnerable save. I kinda see where you're coming from, but the FnP rules don't state "passing a FnP roll counts as passing your armour/invulnerable save", only that the wound is "saved". Lucius doesn't care whether a wound is merely "saved", only if it's saved in two specific ways, which FnP does not do. Therefore, the wound is saved, but Lucius didn't pass an armour or invulnerable save, and therefore he doesn't cause the hits from his armour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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