Avon Rekaes Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Seraphicus can give it to units within 12" of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 WAIT. Does the loss of Zealot mean... He's the only cowardly Chaplain in the Galaxy! LOL! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon Rekaes Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Cowardly? Does he not retain Inner Circle, and thus Fearless? Hmmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion El Jason Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Seraphicus can give it to units within 12" of him? No, just units he joins like all other interrogators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Cowardly? Does he not retain Inner Circle, and thus Fearless? Hmmmmm... Probably something else they left out. I don't have anything in front of me, but unless it says all Interrogator Chaplains have it, it probably doesn't say so on his profile card on DV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Hm, I thought he got Fearless from Zealot only. Yep, Inner Circle does give Fearless and PE:CSM and an IC has got it. Phew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avon Rekaes Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 They should probably fix it by giving him that 12" bubble. Only way I can see that makes sense, since Litanies of the Dark Angels now does nothing but deprive him of Zealot, since the get PE(CSM) anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azoriel Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Whoever said Seraphicus gave PE:CSM mispoke - technically speaking, he does give that, but that isn't his special ability at all. Instead, he gives "Litanies of the Dark Angels" in the place of Zealot. "Litanies of the Dark Angels" lets you re-roll misses or 1's to wound vs. CSM - this applies to both melee and shooting, and any squad he joins also benefits. (Seraphicus also gets PE:CSM, but that's completely redundant with litanies.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion El Jason Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Whoever said Seraphicus gave PE:CSM mispoke - technically speaking, he does give that, but that isn't his special ability at all. Instead, he gives "Litanies of the Dark Angels" in the place of Zealot. "Litanies of the Dark Angels" lets you re-roll misses or 1's to wound vs. CSM - this applies to both melee and shooting, and any squad he joins also benefits. (Seraphicus also gets PE:CSM, but that's completely redundant with litanies.) Erm, well to be fair the opposite is true. Litanies of the Dark Angels is redundant. (I guess you could argue either but since all ICs have PE:CSM its litanies that is the silly addition). Litanies of the Dark Angels does nothing that Inner Circle does not, and he loses Zealot for no recompense. Nice model, nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azoriel Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Erm, well to be fair the opposite is true. Litanies of the Dark Angels is redundant. (I guess you could argue either but since all ICs have PE:CSM its litanies that is the silly addition). Litanies of the Dark Angels does nothing that Inner Circle does not, and he loses Zealot for no recompense. Nice model, nothing else. Dang it! I had assumed PE only gave rerolls in close combat. (That's what I get for not doing my homework, I suppose...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Um, instead of simple Hatred, he has Preferred Enemy (CSM). He's better than the default, if you play vs CSM. All interrogators have preferred enemy CSM! They do because of Inner Circle but to my knowledge that part doesn't get carried over to the squad they join. Cowardly? Does he not retain Inner Circle, and thus Fearless? Hmmmmm... Probably something else they left out. I don't have anything in front of me, but unless it says all Interrogator Chaplains have it, it probably doesn't say so on his profile card on DV. Q: How many points is Interrogator-Chaplain Seraphicus, from the special edition Dark Vengeance boxed game? A: 125 points. Seraphicus is an HQ choice in a Dark Angels army, and a special character. He is an Interrogator-Chaplain armed with a plasma pistol, as listed in Codex: Dark Angels. He replaces the Interrogator-Chaplain’s Zealot special rule with his own Litanies of the Dark Angels special rule. It isn't left out, all Int-Chaps have the Inner Circle special rule. They state he is an Interrogator-Chaplain only difference is he is armed with a Plasma Pistol instead and his Zealot rule is replaced by Litanies of the Dark Angels rule. He is "intended" (which I hate, when they do, when they assume people will know what is meant and then people don't read it that way "they" see it as being. "they" is GW. I will also say that I know I have been in that boat before ,) to be played exactly like an Int-Chap (same Entry with the next exceptions,) only difference Plasma Pistol instead of Bolt Pistol and Litanies of the DArk Angels instead of Zealot and he is a Special Character (which also would mean he is Unique.) Also the card only gives you what the special rule does. You don't use his entry on the card. You use the Int-Chap entry from C:DA and modify it to have the stuff listed in the previous paragraph I wrote. Whoever said Seraphicus gave PE:CSM mispoke - technically speaking, he does give that, but that isn't his special ability at all. Instead, he gives "Litanies of the Dark Angels" in the place of Zealot. "Litanies of the Dark Angels" lets you re-roll misses or 1's to wound vs. CSM - this applies to both melee and shooting, and any squad he joins also benefits. (Seraphicus also gets PE:CSM, but that's completely redundant with litanies.) Erm, well to be fair the opposite is true. Litanies of the Dark Angels is redundant. (I guess you could argue either but since all ICs have PE:CSM its litanies that is the silly addition). Litanies of the Dark Angels does nothing that Inner Circle does not, and he loses Zealot for no recompense. Nice model, nothing else. It isn't redundant. The inner Circle rule that gives them the PE:CSM doesn't give it to the squad they are joined to to my knowledge. Litanies of the DArk Angels is specifically given to him and the squad he is joined to, as stated in the Litanies of the DArk Angels rule for Seriphicus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Um, instead of simple Hatred, he has Preferred Enemy (CSM). He's better than the default, if you play vs CSM. All interrogators have preferred enemy CSM! They do because of Inner Circle but to my knowledge that part doesn't get carried over to the squad they join. I've had to read it a few times to make sure, but yes. One model in a unit with Preferred Enemy gives the entire unit the reroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Um, instead of simple Hatred, he has Preferred Enemy (CSM). He's better than the default, if you play vs CSM. All interrogators have preferred enemy CSM! They do because of Inner Circle but to my knowledge that part doesn't get carried over to the squad they join. I've had to read it a few times to make sure, but yes. One model in a unit with Preferred Enemy gives the entire unit the reroll. If that's right, that's cool . I don't have the BGB on hand here at work, so I can't check to see if it's a flows over rule. There has to be something different between Litanies and normal PE:CSM(or whatever.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I'm comparing all the abilities and it seems like no, there is nothing different than Litanies of the Dark Angels and PE:CSM. In fact Seraphicus is WORSE than a generic Interrogator-Chaplain because he loses Zealot, thus losing Hatred. He's the exact same points wise as a base Interrogator-Chaplain with a Plasma Pistol as well. This is one of those things where you have to stop and wonder what GW was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Seraphicus' Litanies of the DA and the DA rule Inner Circle (inc Preferred Enemy) both carry over onto attached squads. And both re-roll to hit and to wound rolls of 1 in both shooting and cc v Chaos Space Marines. There's nothing different that I can see. So yes, his Lit of DA would seem to be redundant. *Tuts* Ninjad to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Well maybe I made a mistake with them saying he is armed with a Plasma Pistol and he is intended as having both a Bolt and Plasma Pistol? I know that is stretching it and I wouldn't do that as it does seem pretty apparant that the PlasmaP replaces BoltP.... That's more weird than normal for GW, that they would do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 LO,S is 2+ for Special Characters and 5+ for normal characters right? maybe the only thing that is special is that now we have another named character we could take for large games and have another 2+ LO,S?........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Seraphicus is armed with a plasma pistol and crozius, no bolt pistol. Normal Int-Chaps get a bolt pistol and can take additional weapons without replacing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Which is why I said "I know that is stretching it and I wouldn't do that as it does seem pretty apparant that the PlasmaP replaces BoltP...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Whatever, I'm just trying to work out why he's worth 125 points :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anabis_Xero Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Whatever, I'm just trying to work out why he's worth 125 points Interrogator-Chaplain + the cost of a plasma pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Whatever, I'm just trying to work out why he's worth 125 points Because he's a base Interrogator-Chaplain with a Plasma Pistol. Which is 125 points. Other than this guy having a name, he's no different I'm afraid. :( And Harleqvin, LOS on Independent Characters is a 2+, On Sergeants and the like, it's a 4+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Yep but he has no zealot... yet he's the same points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Whatever, I'm just trying to work out why he's worth 125 points S'all good, mate Yep but he has no zealot... yet he's the same points? Yeah. I don't get this either.... Whatever, I'm just trying to work out why he's worth 125 points Because he's a base Interrogator-Chaplain with a Plasma Pistol. Which is 125 points. Other than this guy having a name, he's no different I'm afraid. And Harleqvin, LOS on Independent Characters is a 2+, On Sergeants and the like, it's a 4+ So he would get the 2+ then, At least there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Yep but he has no zealot... yet he's the same points? But he has a name! That should be more than enough for the loss of zealot! I mean look a shiny name :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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