Circus Nurgling Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Ok title says it all. Let's break down which is better, in what situations, and why. Nurgle Lord with Bike. 20 points cheaper, T6 (so can't be insta-gibbed by anything but force weapons and other instant death types), turbo-boost (for intercepting and destroying target units). Joined with a retinue of other T6 bikers, this is a tough nutter to crack. Buy blight grenades to negate charge bonuses. Hammer of Wrath and Jink are also nice bonuses. Ultra-mobile. Downfalls? Retinue doesn't have FnP, plague knives (though I suppose you could join him with a Plague Marine unit if you wanted). Can't transport him, but don't really need to. Terrain problems, as difficult terrain is dangerous. Large-ish base size. Nurgle Lord on Palanquin. 2 extra wounds, 1 extra attack. Not sure which is nicer, but this is pretty much the limit of the niceness. Downfalls: Can still be insta-gibbed by S10, along with every other instant death inflicting weapon. Regardless of how many extra wounds you have, that's a problem, even if you have Sigil on him (which you should). Large base size (60mm) means even more base-base contact than a biker lord. Very bulky limits him to transport in a Land Raider only, which is expensive. Transport is an issue. [thanks to player not found for pointing out he can't ride in rhinos] You'll have to sink a lot of points into the unit to make him mobile. I'd say the Biker Lord comes out on top, but feel free to add your rebuttal, or to make amendments if I missed anything (I'll add it in). They can both have access to the same weapons, so I didn't account for that (all things being equal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I run the palanquin for now with black mace, he needs a inv save or ID is huge threat no matter. So far he has not suffer a ID, but his day is coming for that. I really like the bike choice as well, just haven't build one yet. Any way in a unit of PM he can dish out the pain, he doesn't suffer from Low I so he killing first, if something is bigger threat or a wast of attacks for him, the pm champ jumps in. The plus 2 wounds is nice, and +1 A but I feel it's wfb for 40k, Also a pair of LC makes him a nightmare. I have used a few different builds overall he earns points. But he is not invinsbul. Has others use to him to good effects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Palanquin lords cannot ride in Rhinos, sorry... Transport Capacity: Ten models. Chaos Rhinos cannot carry models with the Bulky, Very Bulky or Extremely Bulky special rules. Since there is no such restriction on the Land Raider, he can ride in one of those instead. My preference? I'd be tempted to go with the Biker Lord, considering the aforementionned restriction, and instead use any Land Raider to carry Termies around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 Palanquin lords cannot ride in Rhinos, sorry... Transport Capacity: Ten models. Chaos Rhinos cannot carry models with the Bulky, Very Bulky or Extremely Bulky special rules. Since there is no such restriction on the Land Raider, he can ride in one of those instead. My preference? I'd be tempted to go with the Biker Lord, considering the aforementionned restriction, and instead use any Land Raider to carry Termies around... Good catch, thanks. Will amend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_f Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I dont know if you left it out because it was obvious but the bike lord is much faster then the palaquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 I dont know if you left it out because it was obvious but the bike lord is much faster then the palaquin I did say that it had turbo-boost, but I guess I should clarify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Underbelly Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 What base size should a palanquin be? It actually doesn't say at all the chaos codex. Technically the model is still infantry and moves as such. I don't know what size base Epidemius is but for all intents and purposes he's not actually riding a palanquin is he? He's just a single infantry model. The reason I ask is I want my own palanquin to be that WFB rotten horse from the Nurgle Chaos Lord and its size would more suit a 40mm base. I should also explain I'll never enter a tournament so I'm unlikely to get my dirty horse booed of stage as an illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serricus Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I've got to say I love my biker lord. The palanquin looks nice, but bike is just way more efficient. Every game I play I use him, just can't justify taking him out. He normaly runs with 5 bikers (champ, 2 meltas) and goes for termie filled land raiders. Poor loyalists don't know what hit em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Try the following: Nurgle Lord, Bike, Black Mace. *Smack smack smack* in a squad with Nurgle bikers. Warning, may cause you to get addicted to using him, thus forgetting everything about a Palanquin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 Try the following: Nurgle Lord, Bike, Black Mace. *Smack smack smack* in a squad with Nurgle bikers. Warning, may cause you to get addicted to using him, thus forgetting everything about a Palanquin. How do you reconcile the AP4 on the Black Mace. I understand it's use on a Daemon Prince (turning it into AP2), but aren't most of the wounds it causes going to be saved on 3+ or even 2+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serricus Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Only need 1 to get through for fun to ensue wirh mace. And on the charge, black mace weilding lord can get quite a few hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Only need 1 to get through for fun to ensue wirh mace. And on the charge, black mace weilding lord can get quite a few hits.This, and the single Hammer of Wrath attack on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun03 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Why not run both? There cheap enough to fit in most games 1850+ The bike with mace i have seen that with other DG player although he hasnt had much luck. I stay using palaniqun, but like stated before I am unsure on what the official size should be. After all it Dosent go in to detail on how it should be model or what size it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 Epi is on a palanquin, and he's on a 60mm base. That should be your reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_f Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 But is the Palanquin movement 6 or 12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Underbelly Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 The palanquin says nothing on changing his unit type so he stays infantry; so 6 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serricus Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 The palanquin says nothing on changing his unit type so he stays infantry; so 6 inches. This is my biggest complaint with it. I'd love it if it changed to calvary, so we could run with some nurgle spawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 He's being carried by nurglings... how fast could he possibly go? Besides, Nurgle has always been tough and slow (and sometimes even purposeful). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serricus Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Maybe they are 'fast' nurglings. on a more serious note, I think my biggest detterent is cost. It's 5 points more than a juggernought. Jugger is +1 T/W/A and calvary. Palanquin is +2 W, +1 A and very bulky. The only argument I can see for that pricetag is we already have an extra T, but then how do we justify giving a murder machine faster movement and almost equal stats? if it was 25, maybe 30 points I'd take it. But as is, I will only use for fun games vs my daughters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empchildrenbob Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 where does it say you have to model the palanquins base size to 60mm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Maybe they are 'fast' nurglings. on a more serious note, I think my biggest detterent is cost. It's 5 points more than a juggernought. Jugger is +1 T/W/A and calvary. Palanquin is +2 W, +1 A and very bulky. The only argument I can see for that pricetag is we already have an extra T, but then how do we justify giving a murder machine faster movement and almost equal stats? if it was 25, maybe 30 points I'd take it. But as is, I will only use for fun games vs my daughters. It`s well justified on a sorcerer IMO. You want that poor 2 wounds model to suddenly have 4 wounds, T5, so Palanquin if you dont have sorcerer in raptor/bike squad please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Underbelly Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 It doesn't say anywhere is should be a 60mm base - I've decided to model mine on a 40mm base because the WHFB rotten horse I'm using would look daft on a 60mm base. I realise Epidemius is mounted on a palanquin on a 60mm base but his palanquin isn't list in his wargear. In any case the cahos codex says nothing about what base he should be on. Rules wise, I think it's justified if you like the idea of a palanquin mounted lord. I do (obviously ) and if you look at his stats he's none too shabby. T5, W5, I5, A5 (two specialist weapons in my case). I'm giving mine ichor blood for fun as well... I'll be running him with some foot slogging death guard guys as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 I don't think anyone would be able to argue against 40mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Krag Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Who would it work better for, a lord or sorcerer? I'd think the sorcerer just for the extra wounds and then put the lord on a bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 It doesn't say anywhere is should be a 60mm base - I've decided to model mine on a 40mm base because the WHFB rotten horse I'm using would look daft on a 60mm base. I realise Epidemius is mounted on a palanquin on a 60mm base but his palanquin isn't list in his wargear. In any case the chaos codex says nothing about what base he should be on. Rules wise, I think it's justified if you like the idea of a palanquin mounted lord. I do (obviously :D) and if you look at his stats he's none too shabby. T5, W5, I5, A5 (two specialist weapons in my case). I'm giving mine ichor blood for fun as well... I'll be running him with some foot slogging death guard guys. Not if you do a good number on a nice, scenic base (not that it wouldn't look nice coming off of/out of the base as well). Besides that, Epi's palanquin isn't in his wargear, it's included in his statline. He's +1A, +1W over his counterpart heralds, and giving a nurgle herald a palanquin gives them the exact same profile as Epidemius. That said, do what you want. Like it's been said there isn't anything stating what base size to use for this codex, but you're modeling a stronger model with more wounds on a smaller base. Just sayin'. Aside from the size issue, I think the idea of mounting your Lord on an undead steed has some great advantages. I'm modeling a biker sorcerer on something similar, and may switch out the base for when I want to call it a palanquin. 60mm base doubles as a very nice platform for a scenic base, in this case, and makes a great centerpiece to you army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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