Julgolax Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I've been doing searches for Khorne-themed army lists and I find that quite a few people actually do take 8-man squads of berserkers, chaos marines, raptors, bikes, and anything else that can carry a banner of Khorne aloft. My question is why. Basically, are Khorne's followers that much better than others that they can get away with 2 fewer squad mates and still be tactically feasible? Should I even bother trying this or is it just for fluffy lists? Here's a list I found on Warseer basically showing what I mean, and another list of what I would say is a theme rather than fluffy. HQChaos lord - Mark of Khorne - terminator armor - pair of lightning claws ELITE 4 Chaos Terminators - heavy flamer - Chaos Land Raider 8 Chosen Chaos Space Marines - 5 plasma guns - mark of khorne - rhino TROOPS 8 khorne berzerker - two plasma pistols - skull champion - power fist - Rhino 8 khorne berzerker - two plasma pistols - skull champion - power fist - Rhino 8 khorne berzerker - two plasma pistols - skull champion - power fist - Rhino HEAVY 8 Chaos Havocs - 4 lascannons HQ - Chaos Lord - Mark of Khorne, Axe of Blind Fury, Chaos Bike, Sigil of Corruption, VotLW - 160Troops - 10 Chaos Marines - CCWs, VotLW, 2 x Meltaguns, Mark of Khorne, Champion - Power Sword - 223 Transport - Rhino - 35 Troops - 5 Chaos Marines - 1 x Plasma Gun, Mark of Khorne - 100 Transport - Rhino - 35 Troops - 5 Chaos Marines - 1 x Plasma Gun, Mark of Khorne - 100 Transport - Rhino - 35 Troops - 20 Chaos Cultists - 2 x Flamers - 100 Fast Attack - 5 Chaos Bikers - VotLW, 2 x Meltaguns, Mark of Khorne, Champion - Power Sword, Melta Bombs - 145 Heavy Support - Forgefiend - 175 Heavy Support - Forgefiend - 175 Heavy Support - 5 Havocs - 4 x Autocannons - 115 Fortification - Aegis w/ Quad gun - 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 8 man Berzerker squads were enough. Now Berzerker squads are just not that great. 8 man Bike squads however! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 It's mostly for fluff: Khorne's sacred number is 8. As far back as Slaves to Darkness, the first Chaos book, Chaos followers had a tendency to group into squads equal to or in multiples of their god's sacred number, and there were even bonuses for such units in the 3rd edition codex (after the Index Astartes articles, and later in the 3.5 edition codex). Tactically, 8 is a pretty comfortable number. It's not MSU (multiple small units), but it's not as expensive as a 10-man squad. It's a good size if you want to fit an IC in a transport. It's enough where an assault won't always wipe out a decent-sized Space Marine unit on the charge (you don't want to be left out in the open afterwards!). It's not the perfect number for every situation, but it's pretty handy. That said, don't feel any need to run 8-man squads for everything; just take whatever works best for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 In my attempt at a WE list I intend to field 24 berzerkers in three squads of eight marines each. Now years as an IG commander tell me that it is always better to rush forward several smaller squads than a big one, they cover each other, are more mobile and responsive and turn into many smaller targets which makes the adversary to struggle. Now my question rather is, are those 24 berzerkers enough to leg it over the entire board, eat gunfire and live to make that charge? Fearless and 3+ save say yes in my book but alas more information would be great, in my attempts it worked reasonably well but I have yet to play against a competitive army list and a proper gunline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 7,8,9 are all good numbers. So is 10, so the only reason why you could field 8 now is because of old fluff. Personally, I don't do it. I am very comfortable with 10 Bezerkers/Marines, more comfortable than 8 because I expect to lose 2-3 before they will be in the close combat. Perhaps this thought is wrong or the expectations of losing models should be less. Field what you feel comfortable with. Your list looks okayish, I fiend the lack of flyers/AA a bit disturbing, but it might just be me. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julgolax Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 7,8,9 are all good numbers. So is 10, so the only reason why you could field 8 now is because of old fluff. Personally, I don't do it. I am very comfortable with 10 Bezerkers/Marines, more comfortable than 8 because I expect to lose 2-3 before they will be in the close combat. Perhaps this thought is wrong or the expectations of losing models should be less. Field what you feel comfortable with. Your list looks okayish, I fiend the lack of flyers/AA a bit disturbing, but it might just be me. Cheers, Wasn't my list at all, as I said I found them on Warseer.com. Also, I don't want to buy into these flyers, it's just a sales play by GW to sell their ugly flyer models. Flyers belong in Apocalypse not 1500 point games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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