Brother Captain Andrew Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Just found this and wanted to throw it in here. At the bottom of the screen is the new artwork, It is absolutely amazing Emperor v. Horus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Wow, very good. Are those custodes rushing to the emperor's aide on the left? Sanguinus sure did bleed A LOT.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3216766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhta Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Sanguinus sure did bleed A LOT.. so. the primarch of the BLOOD angels is bleeding? nice....very nice.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3216788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Týr Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 On one hand it's fantastic. Really like the bleeding sanguinius on the deck. But the actual battle on the other hand seem a bit like dancing with the stars? He sure does know a move or two the old big E. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3216801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The bad: What is up with that pose? And where is Horus? you cannot see him for all the Jibashi. The good: The background. Sanguinis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3216808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Still not a fan of the render aesthetics of the Hosu Heresy covers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3216837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykra Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Still not a fan of the render aesthetics of the Hosu Heresy covers. I think the design on the left with Sanguinius already fallen, and Terra being torn apart is beautiful. It's kind of like, 'There, that's the moment. That's when the Imperium lost it's nobility.' I'm not sure what's going on with Horus and the Emperor though. Horus looks like he's shoulder-barging through the psychic force and lining up a shot with his left hand, while judging by the cloth on the Emperor it looks like he is actually trying to spin to his right and slash with his sword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3216869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazabi24 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The only thing that's sort of weird is the positioning of dead Sanguinius's wings. I guess Rigor Mortis works extra quickly on primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The bad:What is up with that pose? And where is Horus? you cannot see him for all the Jibashi. The good: The background. Sanguinis. Nothing remotely wrong with any of the poses. Horus has swung his clawed fist at the Emperor, who in turn has leapt sideways to avoid the slash that has caught his cloak (as you can see the claw marks ripped into the material, and the loose bits of material around the Horus' claw) and in turn the Emperor has fired out a bolt of energy thats caught Horus on the right shoulder/pauldron. Both the Emperor and Horus have their secondary weapons, sword and mace, ready to strike. Yeh, thats real hard to see and work out, although it would be nice to see Horus more i admit. On a side note its nice to see the Custodies behind the Emperor and the Sons of Horus behind Horus, keeps the feel of the other art peice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techmarine Andreas Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 love what looks to be the custodes charging to the Big E's aid. Can you imagine what they have survived after teh scattered teleport onboard and to have been able to regroup and fight their way to this final confrontation only to get there just in time to see the Emperor struck down? I dont even know who I want to write this when teh time comes!!!! Hopefully multibook differeint perspectives, and hopefully one of those is Loken, he had the first words of the Heresy series its only fitting he has the last!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 It looks good from what I can see, but I need a waaay bigger version to pass proper judgment. That picture is way too small. Come on BL. :down: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The bad:What is up with that pose? And where is Horus? you cannot see him for all the Jibashi. The good: The background. Sanguinis. Nothing remotely wrong with any of the poses. Horus has swung his clawed fist at the Emperor, who in turn has leapt sideways to avoid the slash that has caught his cloak (as you can see the claw marks ripped into the material, and the loose bits of material around the Horus' claw) and in turn the Emperor has fired out a bolt of energy thats caught Horus on the right shoulder/pauldron. Both the Emperor and Horus have their secondary weapons, sword and mace, ready to strike. Yeh, thats real hard to see and work out, although it would be nice to see Horus more i admit. On a side note its nice to see the Custodies behind the Emperor and the Sons of Horus behind Horus, keeps the feel of the other art peice. Oh I see the slashes alright, I ask that you consider this. Ever swung a two-handed sword in real life? If not, try it, one hand and imitate the Emp's exact pose. Sure, he is the Emperor and is therefore unaturally strong, but that pose is just plain wrong on so many levels. That is not a leap sideways, that is a small skip step towards death. As in, why would you EVER turn your left side + rear (sword in right hand) towards the enemy. Leaping away doesn't work like that. Oh. Wait! I see now! No wonder he was mortally wounded.. :down: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Ever swung a two-handed sword in real life? If not, try it, one hand and imitate the Emp's exact pose. Yeah i have and although i nearly broke my own wrist (scottish claymore sword) but i am not a superhuman being, nor can we speak of the matierals used to craft the sword. Take a samurai sword (Katana) for example, its designed for two handed use but can be wielded with one hand by an experienced swordsman just as well. The sword is light enough to be wielded that way. That is not a leap sideways, that is a small skip step towards death. Many cultures have used leaps and spins in combat, just has to be done properly and at the right time. As in, why would you EVER turn your left side + rear (sword in right hand) towards the enemy.Leaping away doesn't work like that. That i agree with that admittedly, but you know how GW roll - "if it looks awesome stick it in the art work." Oh. Wait! I see now!No wonder he was mortally wounded.. ;) :down: Edit: Cleared up the post and fixed spelling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Very cool Side note - I always think of this one when I think of the engagement. Not that older black and white one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 There's nothing wrong with the poses - mechanically speaking. Nonetheless, they're not the best choice for that kind of scene. It's like a photographer took a mis-timed picture of the fight - taken a split second earlier, perhaps the Emperor looks more legal and the explosion of energy doesn't cover Horus quite as much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Side note - I always think of this one when I think of the engagement. Not that older black and white one. Funnily enough, I do too. The old one is iconic in it's own way but it just isn't the one I picture when I think of Horus vs The Emperor. I haven't for years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFacelessMan Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 There's blood smoking off Big E's fiery sword. Looks like the pirouette started after He connected, and Horus is doing a 1-2 combo slashing then bringing the pain with his mace. The way Big E's cloak is billowing out there's an implied downward follow-through after the spin, probably to counter the mace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Oh I see the slashes alright, I ask that you consider this. Ever swung a two-handed sword in real life? Yes I have. If not, try it, one hand and imitate the Emp's exact pose. Sure, he is the Emperor and is therefore unaturally strong, but that pose is just plain wrong on so many levels. That is not a leap sideways, that is a small skip step towards death. Are you sure you're looking at the same picture as the rest of us? :) Because you appear to be missing what the Emperor actually seems to be doing... As in, why would you EVER turn your left side + rear (sword in right hand) towards the enemy.Leaping away doesn't work like that. To make a follow through strike with the lightning claw/power claw sheathing his other hand (which funnily enough is what the picture seems to show him doing). In fact, it could even be the beginning of a backhand slash with his lightning/power claw and the upswing of a descending strike with his rune sword, turning into both strikes with his body (his raised leg moving towards Horus as part of the turn) adding the centrifugal force generated by that spin to both strikes (like a dervish). Though given the apparent spray of blood coming of the rune sword that seems less likely, still a possibility though if his upswing had also connected (and drawn blood). Not ideal technique in either case, and not something I would ever try, but far from the suicidal manoeuvre you're making it out to be. Given that this is GW art, you also need to take the rule of cool into account before any real world considerations even begin to come into it. Oh. Wait! I see now!No wonder he was mortally wounded.. ;) :blush: :) Edit: @Sister Kyrie - I was indeed posting at the same time that you were. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Kyrie Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The pose does appear to be a bit awkward. However, despite it being a bit small to get a really good look at what's going on, I think he is supposed to be doing an actual sword-fighting move. I can not remember the name of it right now, and it's driving me nuts. Stop-thrust, maybe? Usually used to counter a low lunge or a passata-sotto, it's performed by pulling your hips back and bringing your front foot to meet your back foot. While doing that, you bring your sword up and over, dropping the point down on your opponent, usually aiming for his hand behind the sword guard. Here's a picture: http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2008/05/09/f-...essentials.html The guy on the right is doing the same sort of thing, though he's missed hitting his opponent. No idea what Horus is up to. All I can see of him is lightning. :) Edit: MadDoc could be right as well. Think he was posting at the same time I was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Side note - I always think of this one when I think of the engagement. Not that older black and white one. Thats the pictire i was speaking about, easily the best peice GW has released. No idea what Horus is up to. All I can see of him is lightning. :) Read what i posted futher up. :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemid Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 The pose does appear to be a bit awkward. However, despite it being a bit small to get a really good look at what's going on, I think he is supposed to be doing an actual sword-fighting move. I can not remember the name of it right now, and it's driving me nuts. Stop-thrust, maybe? Usually used to counter a low lunge or a passata-sotto, it's performed by pulling your hips back and bringing your front foot to meet your back foot. While doing that, you bring your sword up and over, dropping the point down on your opponent, usually aiming for his hand behind the sword guard. Here's a picture: http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2008/05/09/f-...essentials.html The guy on the right is doing the same sort of thing, though he's missed hitting his opponent. No idea what Horus is up to. All I can see of him is lightning. :P Edit: MadDoc could be right as well. Think he was posting at the same time I was. As far as what you're thinking of: in fencing, particularly in sabre, there exists the "stop cut" (or skyhook), where you aim to angle over your opponent's bellguard to tap the back of their wrist as they extend for a regular or lowline lunge: http://img00.beijing2008.cn/20080812/Img214534366.jpg is a decent example that I can easily find, except ideally with more distance between the two of you to help make your opponent's attack fall short (if it lands, they will be awarded the touch). There are also a whole bunch of ways to "step in" against your opponent and get inside their normal attack reach which results in a lot of weird and cool looking vertical stabs and jumps: http://binf.gmu.edu/jafri/fencing/lunge.gif http://www.flickr.com/photos/fencingnet/4903379856/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/danjc003/7863074180/ http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/05/...544_634x408.jpg http://binaryapi.ap.org/2bae6746b6f5404a89...fdc917/460x.jpg As far as the picture: I'm sure Baldini was backing up to draw Liangliang's lunge and then jumped to get above the regular-elevation attack, sweep... 7? (I don't know foil or epee lines, I mostly fence sabre) and then riposte, but it seems like Liandliang read it and angled his blade up on his lunge. The hand is not valid target area in foil, so there's no reason to be aiming for hand. OKAY DONE NERDING OUT. I'm not a big fan of the pose. It looks... off. I dunno. Something about it really bothers me, and while I think spins are a little silly, I could forgive him spinning... but something about how he's posed still seems very awkward and off for that to be the case. Like the different parts of his body aren't rotated where they should be if that's what he's doing, you know? I guess he deflected Horus' swipe with his own claws and that's the only reason his backside hasn't been raked. I do have to say, aside from the Big E's pose, how obscured Horus is, and the fact that the eagle on his pommel is gripped to face him (pet peeve) I love the picture. Great, great mood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3217861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I'm thinking the vengeful spirit had ice for floors.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3218064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Sanguinus sure did bleed A LOT.. so. the primarch of the BLOOD angels is bleeding? nice....very nice.... That's some heavy flow out of him right there. If ever there was proof needed Sanguinius was a girl there it is. It might help to explain why the BA are watched by the Imperium's higher-ups: anything that gets cranky and bleeds 1/6 of a month and doesn't die cannot be trusted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3218101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Sanguinus sure did bleed A LOT.. so. the primarch of the BLOOD angels is bleeding? nice....very nice.... That's some heavy flow out of him right there. If ever there was proof needed Sanguinius was a girl there it is. It might help to explain why the BA are watched by the Imperium's higher-ups: anything that gets cranky and bleeds 1/6 of a month and doesn't die cannot be trusted. LOL, love it! :P :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3218171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Zooming in upto 400% makes it blurry, but slightly clearer. To me it looks like the Emperor has just jumped back away from a swipe of Horus’s lightning claw and is responding with a psy blast. His sword is also posed to sweep around (towards us), for a low blow on Horus’s abdomen. However the pose does look wrong, the legs are too far around and high. As such the next thing that happens is that the Emperor simultaneously sprains all 4 limbs and trips on his own cloak. Falling to the floor and impaling himself on his own sword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264038-emperor-v-horus-artwork-from-neil-roberts/#findComment-3218639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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