Heldrake Conversion

[MarshGlyph]

Hi there guys! I'm planning a Heldrake conversion as I absolutely loathe the model GW makes. But to be able to plan accurately (the whole "measure twice, cut once" idea), I need some help. Now I've already posted and been answered regarding the Heldrake in the Chaos section (see the quoted post below), but could someone help me with some measurements of the Space Marine Stormtalon and Drop Pod?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Hi there guys! I'm planning a Heldrake conversion as I absolutely loathe the model GW makes. But to be able to plan accurately (the whole "measure twice, cut once" idea), I need some help. Can someone who already has the model provide the following measurements:

 

http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz76/MarshGlyph/Heldrakemeasurements.jpg

 

A - Tip of the tail to tip of the snout

B - Tip of the tail to tip of the wing

C - Tip to tip of the wings (wingspan)

D - Tip of the wing to the shoulder

 

If possible, can I also get two more measurements:

1 - Tip of the nose to the tip of the tail of a Space Marine Stormtalon

2 - Base to the tip of the "vertical arms" of a Space Marine Drop Pod

 

Thanks!

[Dusktiger]

you know that in the case of flyers, the size doesn't matter, right? you measure everything to the flyer base. so as long as your conversion's on that base, it can be any size you like. the only exception people ever do when playing, is they measure weapon ranges from the gun barrels, but in the Heldrake's case, all its guns are in the mouth, which your top-down photo shows is at the front edge of the flyer base anyways.

 

so start converting and show us some pics!

[Hanska]

you know that in the case of flyers, the size doesn't matter, right? you measure everything to the flyer base. so as long as your conversion's on that base, it can be any size you like. the only exception people ever do when playing, is they measure weapon ranges from the gun barrels, but in the Heldrake's case, all its guns are in the mouth, which your top-down photo shows is at the front edge of the flyer base anyways.

 

so start converting and show us some pics!

I think it's a matter of LOS. That is still based on the size of the model an let's face it, there are a lot of players out there who are a bit.. well you know.

[Dusktiger]

well thats just it; LOS for and at flyers is still done to the base of the model. so regardless of the size, you still measure everything to the base. i cant quote a page number cause im at work, but i believe it states everything's done to the base of the flyer because there's such a wide range of shapes and sizes for them all. we have everything from a fighter jet to a flying brick with stubby wings, to crescent moons.

 

but i know what you mean regarding anal-retentive peoples. thankfully, my gaming community has around 100 or so peoples, so when i find one like that, i just stop playing them and word of mouth spreads until they either become more lenient and enjoyable to play against, or they just stop playing the community as a whole.

 

so long as it's around the same size, ie another GW model, and your not cutting or lengthening the flight base, they shouldn't complain about any conversions you make for the lame-drake, man.

me personally, i'd just get that FW fighter plane model and modify it accordingly for the wargear loadout.

[MarshGlyph]

FLYERS AND MEASURING

Flyers have flying bases that suspend them above the battlefield. However, distances are still measured to and from the Flyer's hull, with the exception of the vehicle's weapons and Fire Points, which all work as normal. The base of a Flyer is effectively ignored, except for:

- The Flyer is being assaulted, in which case models may move into contact with the vehicle's hull, it's base or both.

- Models are embarking or disembarking from the Flyer, in which case the base of the Flyer is used as the Access Point.

 

I'm not sure if I'm getting this right, but that means that an enemy shooting at my Flyer would be measuring to its hull, and therefore conversions might cause some problems. I've got very limited experience in using Flyers myself, so some help would be appreciated...

[Brother Nihm]

FLYERS AND MEASURING

Flyers have flying bases that suspend them above the battlefield. However, distances are still measured to and from the Flyer's hull, with the exception of the vehicle's weapons and Fire Points, which all work as normal. The base of a Flyer is effectively ignored, except for:

- The Flyer is being assaulted, in which case models may move into contact with the vehicle's hull, it's base or both.

- Models are embarking or disembarking from the Flyer, in which case the base of the Flyer is used as the Access Point.

 

I'm not sure if I'm getting this right, but that means that an enemy shooting at my Flyer would be measuring to its hull, and therefore conversions might cause some problems. I've got very limited experience in using Flyers myself, so some help would be appreciated...

That is correct.

[tvih]

you know that in the case of flyers, the size doesn't matter, right? you measure everything to the flyer base. so as long as your conversion's on that base, it can be any size you like. the only exception people ever do when playing, is they measure weapon ranges from the gun barrels, but in the Heldrake's case, all its guns are in the mouth, which your top-down photo shows is at the front edge of the flyer base anyways.

Apologies since I'm off-topic asking this, but how exactly is LOS and cover determined against flyers, given the different bases some of them seem to have? Is it drawing a line from its guns, or..? The reason I'm asking is that today I was hiding a Predator behind a Rhino, so that anyone trying to shoot the Predator from the front couldn't really target it because it was obscured save for the sponsons and the turret. But the others present argued that I'd at best get a 5+ cover save against the flier, despite still being quite obscured from the flier's POV (it was coming directly from the front). As most of my front was still hidden I think I should've at least a better save.

[MarshGlyph]

you know that in the case of flyers, the size doesn't matter, right? you measure everything to the flyer base. so as long as your conversion's on that base, it can be any size you like. the only exception people ever do when playing, is they measure weapon ranges from the gun barrels, but in the Heldrake's case, all its guns are in the mouth, which your top-down photo shows is at the front edge of the flyer base anyways.

Apologies since I'm off-topic asking this, but how exactly is LOS and cover determined against flyers, given the different bases some of them seem to have? Is it drawing a line from its guns, or..? The reason I'm asking is that today I was hiding a Predator behind a Rhino, so that anyone trying to shoot the Predator from the front couldn't really target it because it was obscured save for the sponsons and the turret. But the others present argued that I'd at best get a 5+ cover save against the flier, despite still being quite obscured from the flier's POV (it was coming directly from the front). As most of my front was still hidden I think I should've at least a better save.

 

Well the front of the Predator was totally obscured so you had to fire against it's side (I'm guessing), even though you're in the frontal AV arc...that would've improved your cover save by one to 4+ =)