Apothecary Vaddon Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Hey, he hasn't gotten around to getting the rulebook yet, he's not rich like some of us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3225910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Anyone else notice the throwaway line implying that the Chemosian book predicted Robute and Fulgrim's battle? Explanation? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I loved it. The links to fw products in bl books seems to be getting stronger. I noticed 4 separate product placements. I'm wondering if there is a link to the missing primaries when perturbo is thinking back to when he swore his oath. The iron warriors and their primarch were given character, I wont be mocking them again. my main love is seeing the diffence between the two legions. The iron warriors turning because they felt the current system is wrong and need changing, as such willing to give quarter to their enemy. Whereas the Emperor's Children have truly fallen to chaos. I wonder if they are the first legion to fully embrace chaos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenArtist Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Fulgrim is Fulgrim but less so. He and daemon reached certain "compromise" so that he could regain control of his body while part of his soul is forever devoured by the daemon. Ok so i just finshed the book and read the part about his "compromise" over several times and i didnt see anything saying his soul is being devoured. Is it cool if you can walk me through how you came to that conclusion? Overall i personally feel that this was a great book and in my opinion it is my favorite so far. It was great to see little connections like Dark Eldar, Lucius getting his whip, Fireblade being used by Fulgrim again, The Warsmith and of course Fulgrim becoming the first daemon primarch! I am really excited to see more Irons Warriors and Emperor's Children just cant get enough :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Ok so i just finshed the book and read the part about his "compromise" over several times and i didnt see anything saying his soul is being devoured. Is it cool if you can walk me through how you came to that conclusion? Overall i personally feel that this was a great book and in my opinion it is my favorite so far. It was great to see little connections like Dark Eldar, Lucius getting his whip, Fireblade being used by Fulgrim again, The Warsmith and of course Fulgrim becoming the first daemon primarch! I am really excited to see more Irons Warriors and Emperor's Children just cant get enough :D "The touch of a creature of Chaos is a wound that never heals, a stigmata that forever bleed." I deduced from these words that Daemon took something from him hence "compromise". What do usually daemons want from you? Your soul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdT Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Explanation? In the interlude chapter featuring the discovery of the baby Fulgrim, the book which prophesys his arrival also features a picture of "A warrior in blue armour wrestling with a great serpentine creature with many arms" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmagog Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Truly is a fantastic book. One of the series best. Makes me want to get a storm eagle from Forgeworld and do it up in pre heresy Iron Hands colours! Yes it is that good. Better than fear to thread and I love the Blood angels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Man, with so many people favoring the book I seem to be in the minority in not really liking it. I guess I'll reread it a little slower this time. I will still skip all of Fabius and Lucius' one liners :P Ok so i just finshed the book and read the part about his "compromise" over several times and i didnt see anything saying his soul is being devoured. Is it cool if you can walk me through how you came to that conclusion? Overall i personally feel that this was a great book and in my opinion it is my favorite so far. It was great to see little connections like Dark Eldar, Lucius getting his whip, Fireblade being used by Fulgrim again, The Warsmith and of course Fulgrim becoming the first daemon primarch! I am really excited to see more Irons Warriors and Emperor's Children just cant get enough :devil: "The touch of a creature of Chaos is a wound that never heals, a stigmata that forever bleed." I deduced from these words that Daemon took something from him hence "compromise". What do usually daemons want from you? Your soul. I dunno. He seems that hes obviously turned the tables on the demon as we know it's not to happy rotting in a picture frame. No? That quote could just be poetic/overdramatic. Like your mentality changes or the memories are painful. The Exorcists chapter binds their recruits with demons as a part of the initiation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenArtist Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 So i guess that kind of make him like a dark eldar in a sense with his soul constantly being drained. Although with him being a daemon prince i figure something would change and he would be stronger/strong enough to say screw compromise i want all control but then again who needs a soul i guess, not him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I read the emptiness as a longing. He missed the thrill that having the daemon in his body gave him. The best analogy I can give is the emptiness after losing someone you love. There is a hole that can't be filled. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenArtist Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I read the emptiness as a longing. He missed the thrill that having the daemon in his body gave him. The best analogy I can give is the emptiness after losing someone you love. There is a hole that can't be filled. Actually i feel like that makes way more sense in my opinion but i feel like we kind of need a for sure this was my compromise in black and white from him but in the end that may just be me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
latch66 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I loved it. The links to fw products in bl books seems to be getting stronger. I noticed 4 separate product placements. I'm wondering if there is a link to the missing primaries when perturbo is thinking back to when he swore his oath. The iron warriors and their primarch were given character, I wont be mocking them again. my main love is seeing the diffence between the two legions. The iron warriors turning because they felt the current system is wrong and need changing, as such willing to give quarter to their enemy. Whereas the Emperor's Children have truly fallen to chaos. I wonder if they are the first legion to fully embrace chaos I don't think so on the EC and Chaos. I still think the Word Bearers have them beat by several years. Also, not all the EC went to Chaos. They had to have their "loyalists" elements culled at Istvaan III. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I loved it. The links to fw products in bl books seems to be getting stronger. I noticed 4 separate product placements. I'm wondering if there is a link to the missing primaries when perturbo is thinking back to when he swore his oath. The iron warriors and their primarch were given character, I wont be mocking them again. my main love is seeing the diffence between the two legions. The iron warriors turning because they felt the current system is wrong and need changing, as such willing to give quarter to their enemy. Whereas the Emperor's Children have truly fallen to chaos. I wonder if they are the first legion to fully embrace chaos I don't think so on the EC and Chaos. I still think the Word Bearers have them beat by several years. Also, not all the EC went to Chaos. They had to have their "loyalists" elements culled at Istvaan III. What I meant was how quickly they devolved into the anarchy of chaos. All semblance of rank and order has been eroded. The word bearers might have been following chaos for longer but they are much more ordered about it. They just swapped one god for another (set). Also the ec have dibs on the first Daemon primarch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
latch66 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I loved it. The links to fw products in bl books seems to be getting stronger. I noticed 4 separate product placements. I'm wondering if there is a link to the missing primaries when perturbo is thinking back to when he swore his oath. The iron warriors and their primarch were given character, I wont be mocking them again. my main love is seeing the diffence between the two legions. The iron warriors turning because they felt the current system is wrong and need changing, as such willing to give quarter to their enemy. Whereas the Emperor's Children have truly fallen to chaos. I wonder if they are the first legion to fully embrace chaos I don't think so on the EC and Chaos. I still think the Word Bearers have them beat by several years. Also, not all the EC went to Chaos. They had to have their "loyalists" elements culled at Istvaan III. What I meant was how quickly they devolved into the anarchy of chaos. All semblance of rank and order has been eroded. The word bearers might have been following chaos for longer but they are much more ordered about it. They just swapped one god for another (set). Also the ec have dibs on the first Daemon primarch OK. Thanks for the clarification. I do agree the change to the EC was incredibly fast considering Erebus was not whispering in Fulgrim's ear. Of course having a daemon whispering to Fulgrim definitely pushed things along. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidice Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 First off, I think it was a great read. Well paced, and great characters (I did like fulgrim). On another note, what about some of the little hints talked about in the book? I know of two that immediately made me smile. Conrad Curze has a labyrinth made by Perturabo as a holding cell for an important person (Vulkan?!?) Perturabo mentioned that some Primarchs failed the emperor's test before taking their oath and going to war. (missing primarchs?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I forgot about the maze. It would be nice to know when cruze asked for it, before or after istvaan. I am in two inds about the emperors test. We are told that all the primarch s led their legions In my mind those that failed the test are Angron and possible Cruze. The emperor gave up on angron as soon as he met him. Maybe the failed primarchs are the broken ones, those who the Emperor couldn't see a use for after the crusades were over. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I really like the parts featuring the Iron Hands so far (chapter 12), especially those with the Hands musing about their Primarch, their augmentations and the fact that Ferrus was against them becoming what they are in M41. Also this little detail: "Such things were the purview of the Librarius, or at least they would have been had the Iron Hands ever possessed such an institution." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 About Curze and his present from Perturabo: Thinking it might have been for the Lion. Maybe Curze likes his brother enough not to kill him and keep him as a pet? It will be only 15 years till we find out. Still wondering what the Crusader Host is.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3226981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenArtist Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I have a quick question that i would like to be clarified. So how did Fugrim become a daemon prince? His plan was to use the stone with Perturabo's strength/life force and the souls of the eldar. The stones gets destroyed and he still turns! Was is because he used all the eldar souls of the whole planet? Help please :D haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3227211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I have a quick question that i would like to be clarified. So how did Fugrim become a daemon prince? His plan was to use the stone with Perturabo's strength/life force and the souls of the eldar. The stones gets destroyed and he still turns! Was is because he used all the eldar souls of the whole planet? Help please :lol: haha The souls are offerings to Slaanesh. Entire planet is of soulstones with eldar souls within. Fulgrim lets Slaanesh devour all of them and Perturabo's soul for dessert. Slaanesh doesn't get Perturabo's soul yet still ascends Fulgrim for his efforts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3227297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenArtist Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Ok thats what i was leaning towards. thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3227533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Quick thoughts on a scene from Chapter 15. The scene is about Fabius and his mutant-experiments: Was it possible the data Alpharius had stolen from the Raven Guard had been flawed? After reading/hearing that line, I thought of another, this time from Deliverance Lost, near the end, when Alpharius hands over the gene-materials the Alpha Legion stole from the Raven Guard: ‘I do have another confession to make,’ said Alpharius. ‘I have retained the original gene-material for myself. I thought it wiser to share our fortune. You will find the research of Corax quite extensive. I do not understand much of it, but I am sure Apothecary Fabius is as talented as rumour would have us believe.’ Now, my guess is that Alpharius handed over the corrupted material - he said he'd kept the "originals", but that might mean that he simply copied the data for Horus, yet the corruption Fabius is unable to pinpoint makes it more likely that Alpharius and Omegon have deceived Horus completely. It would certainly explain why Fabius's experiments yield tentaclemutants rather than the supermarines he envisioned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3227691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurelian Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 The warsmiths playing Dawn of War with Perturabo ;) ;) :D :D I would try that... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3227875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Was it possible the data Alpharius had stolen from the Raven Guard had been flawed? Yea, i think this was bantered around in the Deliverance Lost thread. Basically, the Alpha Legion troll the Raven Guard, then troll Horus, and end their current reign of awesomesauce by trolling Fabius. the Alpha Legion are becoming "A wizard did it" in 30k. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3228031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Trollhammer 30,000 - In the grim darkness of the far futuristic heresy, don't look behind yourself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264418-angel-exterminatus/page/2/#findComment-3228115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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