Zeruvar Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 GKs are my 2nd fave army after Black Templars, I love their armour aesthetic. I recently got a Storm Raven for my small GK army (which is 10 tda/paladins; 5 squads of PAGKs; 1 psyfleman dread;inquisitor) and I would really love to field it especially since Black Templars do not have any flyers unless I'm allowed to use my Storm Eagle. My idea was having them as an allied detachment of templars. My current list is a gunline full of CML spam with 2 LRCs to take the fight home. With some adjustment I could take a small gk detachment of an inquisitor and pagks inside a storm raven to go and capture an objective. What Im curious to know is, are psyfelman dreads still useful? I was thinking of taking one along with the SR and drop it wih the strike squad, or even somewhere along the way. Any thoughts about this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Take a GKGM, and make a 10 man Terminator unit with Chaplain and cenobytes scoring. Run them at the enemy! :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3222923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeruvar Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 Haha if only that was possible. I dont think you can give grand strategy buffs to allies (especially since gks arent battle brothers with templars) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3222928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 TGS has no restricitons on who you can give it too (bar the no henchmen, IC, etc ones in the Dex). It's fine to use on AoC. Edit: Until FAQed. Which probably won't happen until someone takes this kind of set up to a tournament, and wins. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3222953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeruvar Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 Wait, GS says "units under his command" which I would interpret as only GK units (RAI). But if that was the caee, then yes scoring assault terminator lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3223003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Pretty sure, as per 'Allies of Convenience', Templars can't be affected by our buffs and vice versa. For a Templar army, I'd be bringing Coteaz, a Terminator blob, and a plasma cannon servitor unit. That's getting you scoring Terminators, and a backfield anti-Marine unit that also scores. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3223724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 RD, TGS isn't covered by the AoC rules. Only (IIRC) Wargear/Pyschic Powers are. That's why thing like litanies have been FAQed to state "Units from x codex only". TGS (like Cybork bodies) has yet to have this FAQ treatment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3224105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 RD, TGS isn't covered by the AoC rules. Only (IIRC) Wargear/Pyschic Powers are. That's why thing like litanies have been FAQed to state "Units from x codex only". TGS (like Cybork bodies) has yet to have this FAQ treatment. Oh man. Cybork bodies on CSM Cultists? Lawl 'TGS' working on Allies is kinda retarded, but fun. Templars will love having their already OP Terminator squads with scoring status or Counter-Attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3225331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 It's even better RD. :) When you consider the Icon of T for a +1 to Invulnerable saves... Or GK with Nemesis Force Swords! Cybork Kinghts FTW! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3225342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 It's even better RD. When you consider the Icon of T for a +1 to Invulnerable saves... Or GK with Nemesis Force Swords! Cybork Kinghts FTW! I think you mean Mark of Tzeentch, Icons don't do that anymore. It would be amusing, but by that point your Cultists are nearly Horror price, so you might as well just field the shooty Daemons, at least they have guns. Cybork Acolytes though... Eh, Cybork Knights still fail armour saves the same, you're just jacking up the price of Strikes/Purifiers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3227614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Pfft, Mark, Icon, it's all blasphemy! ;) Now if only Plague Zombies could purchase Marks! (The Strike part was just the NFS giving +1 to I saves in CC. So with Cybork Bodies they'd be able to use thier Swords and have a 4+ I Save in CC!) Hmmm. If I've got the points correct, 10 per Warrior Accolyte with Bolter and Cybork body? 6 x 12 for only 720. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3227669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 10pts is getting into Tau Fire Warrior point range. Also, Grey Hunters cost 1/3rd more than you but are far more formidable. Cybork is amusing, but its not especially effective in-game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3228066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Both of those don't have Invluerable saves though. Which would be invaluable facing the current 27 Flamer lists. :P And the T3 isn't a drawback there either. As flamers auto wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3228075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Both of those don't have Invluerable saves though. Which would be invaluable facing the current 27 Flamer lists. So, you pay a premium so (on average, I find weak invul like 5++ way less reliable than average) 1/3rd of your stuff lives, as opposed to none? Considering the remaining 1/3rd isn't doing much except either failing Leadership or putting a few wounds on before the next barrage of templates vapes them. I still say 'Warp Quake' and smart deployment is enough to give you the edge. Flamers aren't especially durable, you can murder them with basic bolter fire. Remember, those 27 Flamer lists have to skimp on Troops by definition. So, kill off his Troops, then deny your own objective for as long as possible. He literally cannot win, he can only draw if he wipes out your Troops (or gets some bonus KP via 'Kill the Warlord' or 'First Blood', which shouldn't happen usually). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264516-gk-allied-detachment/#findComment-3229010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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