Night Runner Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 OKAY, OKAY, so the title does not describe what's in the post. I just thought that if it worked for Dan Abnet's novel - The Adventures of Kasper Hause - then it should work for me too! OKAY, OKAY, I am being sarcastic. I apologize. So let's get on with the topic at hand. So I have been accused of cruelty towards animals by the Eldar, not enough cruelty towards animals by the Dark Eldar, frowned upon by the Tau for having done nothing worthwhile for the greater good, and derided by the Blood Angels and Black Templars for the low body count. So then, what do my fellow Space Wolves think of my diorama? All constructive criticism no matter how harsh is very welcome and appreciated. That is why I have posted it here. You guys have given me valueble advice in the past and I am sure you will do the same again. Don't worry I am my own toughest critic. There are more pics in my blog here, if any one is interested. If anyone wants to know how I did something please leave a comment on the blog and I promise to get back. I would like this tread to focus on how I can do better if you don't mind. That's all. NR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 The whole things speaks of action and death, but we see no sign of that violence in gore splattered or blood running. From the novels, we get a real sense of the damage that a chainsword can do. It always is a hard thing to represent gore while modeling as it is a fine line between perfect and too much. That would be my only problem with what is otherwise a great diorama. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3223236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 The Chainsword is literally a chainsaw sword, combining the two most lethal weapons a person could conceivably swing into a united, death-only weapon. The thing is, a chainsaw is incredibly messy; a Chainsword is worse. In WK40K: Space Marine, the single player reveals that the true destruction of a Chainsword comes from revving it only on a swing arc, therefore removing the issue of turning the thing when its up to full speed. I agree with Brother Ramses; if you've never seen footage of a chainsaw in use, look up tree cutting videos where some sort of chainsaw is in use. There are circular saws, as well; both make a big mess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3223275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Excelent Stuff. How long did it take? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3223285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 This is truly amazing work. However imho, one thing I agree that it needs is more BLOOD, which would really enhance the carnage of close quarters combat. Some damage on the wolf would enhance it as well. Regardless, great job! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3223630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherCaptainArkhan Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Hahaha - I think there is already a lot of gore on this model, but it's greenskin blood and is thus green :) Look at the pictures on the blog - I could be wrong but that looks like green blood to me. If so, kudos to you, sir - no one I see has managed to make green blood look, well, bloody. Although it is a bit lost in the greys of the piece overall unfortunately, but that isn't your fault so much. Aside from that, this is one frakking awesome diorama. I LOVE it. You should be hugely proud! EDIT: It's definitely blood. Look at the closeups of the Wolf's chainsword on the blog. I really really like this effect, shame it's been missed by everyone so far. second edit: the throat slash on that dead Ork is SICK. Loving it. I would love to do an homage to this diorama, maybe when my painting skills are better! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3223693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Ah, now I see the dead greenskin's throat is slashed. I feel like the green blends in too well and doesn't have a strong contrast, which is why it isn't readily noticeable. My comment about the wolf's armor is too clean still stands. :) EDIT: Not to say it isn't fantastic already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3223741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Very Very Cool! I am in agreement with the previous comments, plus one other little tidbit....chainsaws do not cut per say they rip a bloody big hole through what they are touching which means no smooth edges like a true blade.... take a look at shark bites that is a better idea of what you are dealing with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3223803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Wow. Really, really good. Do have to agree with the 'chainsaw sword' comments though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3224056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I've now taken a look at the blog; the blood, which would in fact be green, is, to me, and as stated above, likely to be far messier given the weapon in use. On your blog, OP, pic 4 of 15 truly shows more of what is going on, and I personally prefer the nice contrast of that shot. To ask, how did you get the helmet to look where it would have connected to the rest of the model? Is it drilled out, or simply the end piece (neck area) clipped off? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3224297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Awesome diorama. I agree with the comments on the savagery of a chainsword. Also, I think ork blood is red. Which, I think will contrast better as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3224399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Thanks for the comments guys. They have been all very helpful. To answer some questions: Brother Ramses & others with same point:- A very good point about the damage of the chainswords. There are quite a lot of things about this diorama I am not pleased with due to my inexperiece with this scale, but to be honest the chainsword damage never even passed my mind. Just goes to show how these type of details can slip. I will take some time to think onhow weapons in the 40K universe affect things in the future and see it is feasible to model. Thanks again. Brother Captain Arkham, Zynk Kaladin & Ozeryk :- Thanks for your comments. They are very well made on a very tricky point. It is always hard to tell when blood spatter and battle damage is too much or not enough. Too much blood can obscure all the paint work involved - and the same goes for battle damage. Then again being very subjective it comes down to tastes. I always prefer to do a bit less than too much. But after the comments I have read I think there was room for more - especially with the chainsord. I will definitely look into this with my next dirama. Thanks. Karack Blackstone: - Thanks for the comments man. As for your question the helmet's neck was simply cut off and put into place. Loki-LaughingDeath: - That's actually an excellent source for reference for the chainsword damage. Thanks for the tip. Lord Ragnarok:- Thanks. As for the Ork blood being red - I just don't know? It definitely would work for contrast. Maybe if I had darkened the the red blood it would have worked. A good point, in fact a modeller friend of mine pointed out the same thing and being an ork who is to say what colour their blood is. In one of the Space Marine Battle novels it mentions that their blood is black - but I did not think it would work well. Thanks for all the helpful comments. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I ALWAYS COME BACK TO THE FANG! Regards, NR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3224436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 And we're glad you do come to the Fang with work like this. Gives us all something to drool over...until the sarcasm, banter and criticism kicks in :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3224458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I'm not much of a modeller meself - had anosey at your blog for closer looks on the diorama and I love it :P not too savage or busy, but enough action so the on-looker gets a sense of the danger and pace of combat :) - also I'm rather looking forward to your minotaurs/lamenters piece though I'll have to visit our vampiric cousins for that one :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3224676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 Forte & Russ Brother 92: Thanks for the complements. Russ Brother 92, the 'Minotaurs vs Lamenters' vignette is currently being painted up, but next week on my blog there will be the first physical sketch of a second long unfinished Space Wolf diorama similiar to this one. Ozerk Sleipnijr: The diorama has been on and off the shelf for about two years (my dark age so to speak), but it took me roughly not more than three weeks working about one to three hours a day. Sorry for not answering earlier but your question slipped by. NR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3226879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Orc blood is indeed red, and a lighter red than that of humans. don't remember which white dwarf it was in, but it was in one. something about orc blood holding even more oxygen than that of other races. if I'm not mistaken it was in one of the War for Armageddon era white dwarves) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3229773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn_the_Heretic Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I think there's some confusion as Orks are technically plants and as such use photosynthesis. I remember reading that in an old WD. It's why they reproduce with spores. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3231325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 they do indeed, I think it was in the very same WD in fact, but the photosynthesis happens skindeep. the blood itself is apparently a lot like ours, only includes a lot more oxygen, (thus being brighter) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3231763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 they do indeed, I think it was in the very same WD in fact, but the photosynthesis happens skindeep. the blood itself is apparently a lot like ours, only includes a lot more oxygen, (thus being brighter) Gorkamorka expac. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3232079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted November 8, 2012 Author Share Posted November 8, 2012 Thanks for the replies and clarification. Lord Ragnorok I tip my hat to your superior encyclopedic 40K knowledge. Next time the blood will be red. NR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264537-why-vitamins-are-good-for-your-health/#findComment-3233358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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