terminatorAM Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I'm planning to run a single Furioso libby in a 1500 or higher point list running between 2 assault squads and a JP death company squad. It will have wings to keep up and shield to grant a save to the other unit which usually are exposed to fire even with actual cover. I will also have a priest, reclusiarch, and possibly a librarian all with jump packs moving with the other squads to give them buffs as well. These guys are easy to protect within units that can hang back when assaults are unfavorable (maybe not the reclusiarch w/ DC) so they can continue to buff the rest of the army. The ting I'm concerned about is the dread. He can't hind in a squad and can't get much more protection past what he is giving himself with shield. So I'm worried that he will be picked off early in the game leaving me down an expensive unit as well as a mobile cover save for the rest of the army. I do plan on running a predator or two plus a rhino with a tactical squad for some armor saturation, but I'm not sure if it will be enough. How else would you protect the dread and has anyone had experience using them before? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 If you run 2 preds and a Rhino, this will be more than enough, I feel. A wiley opponent will still watch out for the flying box of metal, but with enough forward pressure on him, you can make him regret his choices. Baals are good for this on account of the amount of dakka they put out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3225071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohrtanc Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 One of the best things the BA Dreadnoughts have is there AV 13. If the enemy choose to shoot at your Dread he has to use his big guns against you which would easily kill your Infantry Units. Lascannons and missles wouldnt allow you to roll for FnP and would wound you on 2+. The Dread on the otherside would be penetradet from a Lascannon on 5+ and has his 5+ cover save. Long story short. Even if your Dread is going to be killed he his going to soak up enough firepower which easily would decimate your main force. I used and still use a Librarian Dread in all my lists starting at 1300 Points. One of my friends hates him for all the damage he has done to him and at the moment (last 5 games) he allways tries to destroy the Dread in first or second turn which allows my main force to engage without to much losses. My Dread: Librarian Dreadnought with forcesword, wings and might. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3225279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 My Dread: Librarian Dreadnought with forcesword, wings and might. Might want to swap that sword for an axe so you get AP2 and S7. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3225289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohrtanc Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 My Dread: Librarian Dreadnought with forcesword, wings and might. Might want to swap that sword for an axe so you get AP2 and S7. ;) Yeah thought about this too. I made him before 6th, and now I would need a cool axe model but thats not my top priority at the moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3225452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminatorAM Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 If you run 2 preds and a Rhino, this will be more than enough, I feel. A wiley opponent will still watch out for the flying box of metal, but with enough forward pressure on him, you can make him regret his choices. Baals are good for this on account of the amount of dakka they put out. That's what I was hoping for, just was getting paranoid at the possibility of him getting taken out too early. Besides he isn't holding the army up, just making them survive a little longer. @knife&fork: how often does the force weapon really get used over the blood fist anyways? I plan to convert my dread from a contemptor and give him either a scratch-build ax or the dreadknight's sword Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3226069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Excubitors Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 My Dread: Librarian Dreadnought with forcesword, wings and might. Might want to swap that sword for an axe so you get AP2 and S7. ^_^ Would that mean you can use a power sword and hit at normal initiative? Might be pretty decent at s6, maybe i'm forgetting something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3226078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokhar Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 My Dread: Librarian Dreadnought with forcesword, wings and might. Might want to swap that sword for an axe so you get AP2 and S7. ^_^ Would that mean you can use a power sword and hit at normal initiative? Might be pretty decent at s6, maybe i'm forgetting something? Walkers ignore the unwieldy rule, so you hit at initiative with either your force axe or your fist. Only two situations where the type of force weapon really matters much: either because you already lost your fist (fortunately doesn't happen as often as it would in 5th) or because you're punching a multi-wound model with toughness 6 or better, in which case you can still get instant death with the force weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3226082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitadelArmyGuy Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Too bad walkers don't get the 'Smash' rule. Then a Force Maul at Strength 8 would have been a great non-EW Monster hunter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3226174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokhar Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Edit: Disregard, posted something stupid for not recalling all the specifics of a particular rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3226455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venemox Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Now, what I'm about to propose might, on the surface, sound like...*ahem*..Heresy..*ahem*... BUT, the axe from the Daemon Prince kit does look pretty awesome, and I think in the clutched fist of the Venerable Dreadnought kit... well, I think you see where this is going. let's call it...a victory trophy put to use for the Good of All Mankind. :) http://bitzbarn.com/oscommerce/catalog/images/IMG_0058.JPG Up until 6th edition hit, I was planning on using one of the Daemon Prince's swords on a Venerable Dread for my Furioso Librarian conversion. Unfortunately, while there are 2 different swords per DP kit box, there is but one axe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3228212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Now, what I'm about to propose might, on the surface, sound like...*ahem*..Heresy..*ahem*... BUT, the axe from the Daemon Prince kit does look pretty awesome, and I think in the clutched fist of the Venerable Dreadnought kit... well, I think you see where this is going. let's call it...a victory trophy put to use for the Good of All Mankind. :( http://bitzbarn.com/oscommerce/catalog/images/IMG_0058.JPG Up until 6th edition hit, I was planning on using one of the Daemon Prince's swords on a Venerable Dread for my Furioso Librarian conversion. Unfortunately, while there are 2 different swords per DP kit box, there is but one axe. Actually, with some minor chopping action you can quite easily remove any chaos marks and make it a "ahem" loyalist axe :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3228864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fivepointedstar Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Now, what I'm about to propose might, on the surface, sound like...*ahem*..Heresy..*ahem*... BUT, the axe from the Daemon Prince kit does look pretty awesome, and I think in the clutched fist of the Venerable Dreadnought kit... well, I think you see where this is going. let's call it...a victory trophy put to use for the Good of All Mankind. :o http://bitzbarn.com/oscommerce/catalog/images/IMG_0058.JPG Up until 6th edition hit, I was planning on using one of the Daemon Prince's swords on a Venerable Dread for my Furioso Librarian conversion. Unfortunately, while there are 2 different swords per DP kit box, there is but one axe. Here's another idea to use. Krell of the Vampire Lords line has a nifty looking axe that would look better on dreadnought. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...Id=prod1460012a Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3230027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Rainbow Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I agree, you could easily remove the Chaos markings and fill in the gaps with green stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3230052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserTJ1860 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 As im looking to build my first libby dread (i was going contemptor for him) would the minotaur axes from Warhammer work? They look big enough on those hoofy chaps but im not sure how they'd scale on our walking tombs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3232708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakbal Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I thought that the Furioso Dreadnought Librarian was with a generic force weapon. Do we get to decide as players what type of force weapon that is? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3233312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokhar Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 If its not an unusual power weapon (and it's not) then you get to pick what sort of weapon it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3233475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Now, what I'm about to propose might, on the surface, sound like...*ahem*..Heresy..*ahem*... BUT, the axe from the Daemon Prince kit does look pretty awesome, and I think in the clutched fist of the Venerable Dreadnought kit... well, I think you see where this is going. let's call it...a victory trophy put to use for the Good of All Mankind. :P http://bitzbarn.com/oscommerce/catalog/images/IMG_0058.JPG Up until 6th edition hit, I was planning on using one of the Daemon Prince's swords on a Venerable Dread for my Furioso Librarian conversion. Unfortunately, while there are 2 different swords per DP kit box, there is but one axe. Actually, with some minor chopping action you can quite easily remove any chaos marks and make it a "ahem" loyalist axe :P Thats what Old Man Grimnar did isnt it? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/264674-furioso-librarian-dreadnought/#findComment-3233543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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