Heresy or Pre-Heresy

[Emperor's Furor]

If you're doing an army using the new rules, at what point in time are you going to be basing yours on? I'm torn, really the crusade era is the golden age, but then the action we know and love is in the heresy period. For example I've had an inkling of doing a Word Bearers/Imperial Heralds army because I think they will rarely be done, the problem is however the models I currently have including some heresy pattern suits and well the Word Bearers turn red during the Heresy and I don't want to do red, so I'm not sure what to do.

 

I do like the idea of doing a proper crusade force, it's just when it comes to games I get the feeling it'll all be heresy based and I want to have some continuity with my army.

[Grotsmasha]

I'll be doing DA's in Crusade Era. As for Heresy armour mks, the only one that excludes pre-heresy is mkV. MkVI armour was scattered throughout several Legions for testing prior to the Heresy.

 

Cheers,

Jono

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

Well I've gone for Iron Warriors, which means I can use them as both as their legion colours haven't changed, that's how I've gotten round it. (Also means I can use them in 40k, sneaky)

 

I'm in the same boat as you, love the crusade era. mks 2-3 mainly, with some 4-5 for when I start playing heresy battles later.

 

You could have yours as loyalists? or just say not all of the legion changed their colours, and yours represents that faction.

[Emperor's Furor]

Afaik the "loyalist" Word Bearers were pretty much destroyed before the Heresy started because they had no knowledge of what was happening and were probably thrown into stupid missions that got them wiped out, which could explain why after Lorgar returned from Cadia they conquered so many systems.

[Olis]

I have two armies planned for (which, incidentally, at least one will never happen): Heresy-era Imperial Fists and pre-primarch era Death Guard. That's right. Dusk Raiders. :)

[SillyDreadnought]

I'll be doing Sons of Horus during the Isstvan III atrocity and the early heresy.

[caprera]

I'm planning two as well because I have waited too much for these rules and I've had enough of the way things are going in 40K.

 

I will start a Late-Heresy Raven Guard using Corvus armours along with some MKV/IVs and Ultramarines in Pre-Heresy MKII/III.

[Lorenzen]

my death guard force is primarily during the heresy, however i will be adding a few great crusade era bits to my collection at some point

[spu00sed]

My army is Emperor's Children.

 

I'm planning on pre heresy, so no sonic shriekers for my characters.

 

Not sure if I will paint the laer blade as firebrand, or have it when he just picked up the blade

[ZAChos]

I'm doing space wolves, partly because they're relatively unchanged from every period, and mostly because they're Hard Ass Sorceror Stompers.

 

I quite like the direction they're going with Mk V, with it being a mix of different prototypes etc. This makes anything besides MkVI helms or MKVIII chests viable for any period. Is that a MKVII leg, or is it a prototype MKIV?

[Adra'Melek]

I'm doing pre-heresy World Eaters. With the option of continuing with loyalist World Eaters during the heresy (around 35000 World Eaters weren't at Isstvan III). If the ratio at Isstvan III holds up up around 12000 of these would be loyalist (unless all loyalists were taken to Isstvan).

[Dusktiger]

according to the fluff, the word bearers didnt change to red until after the Istvaan V massacre, and this change didnt show up until their siege on Terra; they were repainting the armour to red on the way to Terra. so you could still sport the black and say your army is from the period before they left Istvaan for Terra.

[TennisBall]

according to the fluff, the word bearers didnt change to red until after the Istvaan V massacre, and this change didnt show up until their siege on Terra; they were repainting the armour to red on the way to Terra. so you could still sport the black and say your army is from the period before they left Istvaan for Terra.

Which fluff though? Know no Fear has them in crimson for the Battle of Calth.

[Dusktiger]

found this on the wikia site. there's a page and a half of footnotes for all the sources, but nothing specifically picked out for this entry, so im assuming its taken from multiple sources.

Legion Appearance

Legion Colours

 

The Pre-Heresy Word Bearers Legion originally wore slate grey coloured Power Armour complete with inscribed/engraved prayers in Colchisian cuneiform script, phrases, and words of devotion, with no contrasting colors. Word Bearers Chaplains wore the slate grey armour of the Legion, being distinguished by gold armour trim and their Crozius. The Chaplains repainted their armour black following the Legion's reprimanding by the Emperor in Monarchia, "...in remembrance of the ashes coating every warrior's armour."First Chaplain Erebus was known to have a clean shaven head which was richly tattooed with religious sayings and imagery. It is not known whether or not this was standard practice amongst the other members of the Word Bearers' Chaplaincy. After their fall to the Ruinous Powers, the Word Bearers adopted a new colour scheme in the days immediately after the Drop Site Massacre on Istvaan V intended to symbolise the Word Bearers' willingness to shed blood to bring the truth of Chaos to all Mankind. Their Power Armour was repainted the colour of spilt blood, a colour often called "Traitor's Red" or "Betrayer's Red," sometimes worn with black or silver trim. Heretical prayers are inscribed directly into the surface of their armour. Often times Word Bearers Traitor Marines are also seen wearing devotional prayer sheets hanging from their armour's shoulder plates -- the blasphemous words of the Book of Lorgar inscribed upon them.

 

also found this pic on the same site:

http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/c/c8/Rongar_Assault_Squad.jpg

[Emperor's Furor]

The icons are a lot different, I'd love to know which one FW is bringing out, is it the fire and the book or the screaming head. I might go back to the drawing board and find inspiration, word bearers have two icons and two colour schemes and they over lap and I don't know which one FW is going to choose and I don't want to mess my army up.

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

I'd say FW will probably release sets for both, people will buy them

[Emperor's Furor]

I've sent them an email querying what they are going to do, I've done it in the past and was told each legion would have it's own dreadnought, although I specifically pointed out the Imperial Fists but they've yet to do one, so who knows whether what they tell me will be true or not.

[TennisBall]

According to the excerpt above and seemingly backed up by 'Know no Fear', they were Grey up to and including the Dropsite massacre. Sometime between Istvaan V and attacking Calth, they changed to crimson.

 

Would this be the same time that the World Eaters started going for the red look too? Starting off with the blood of the loyalists and then later using paint?

[Sons of Horus]

I think you should do whatever color you want to. I play Luna Wolves (white days) but I can still consider them as Sons of Horus for Heresy-era games.