Brom MKIV Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I've been considering an ADL lately and the nigh compulsory pack of long fangs that goes with it. Obviously this is a good setup since most people already take long fangs, but what are the alternatives? Today I was considering the merits of a lone wolf gunner. For +20 pts the aegis gets a gunner that gives twin linked to the icarus lc vs. dreads/t5+, can make precision shots and doesn't give up any kill points. Not bad for 20 pts with a 4++ cover. Any other ideas besides the token long fang unit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I've been considering an ADL lately and the nigh compulsory pack of long fangs that goes with it. Obviously this is a good setup since most people already take long fangs, but what are the alternatives? Today I was considering the merits of a lone wolf gunner. For +20 pts the aegis gets a gunner that gives twin linked to the icarus lc vs. dreads/t5+, can make precision shots and doesn't give up any kill points. Not bad for 20 pts with a 4++ cover. Any other ideas besides the token long fang unit? That's a pretty creative idea, I think! It DOES eat an elites choice. This may or may not hurt you. In addition, it doesn't give up kill points if it dies, but it DOES give up kill points if it lives. Is this an improvement? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3234507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 Thanks man and those are also two very good points. I almost always have spare elite slots but the surviving thing I hadn't thought about tbh. My main thought was to make an efficient AA unit that was a durable threat and didn't dictate one of my HS slots, in effect a 4th HS choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3234534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy12009 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Grey hunters dakka anything in range and get counter assault when something charges over the wall. Only way for grey hunters to get a heavy weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3234552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Thanks man and those are also two very good points. I almost always have spare elite slots but the surviving thing I hadn't thought about tbh. My main thought was to make an efficient AA unit that was a durable threat and didn't dictate one of my HS slots, in effect a 4th HS choice. Heck, give him some wolf claws/power weapons and he can also tarpit and frequently win against any annoying back field units. If you had the points to spare, TDA + a Pfist/Wolfclaw would be a pretty potent back field defender Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3234558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 really good idea. maybe take a couple of fen wolves to take the first few wounds. also an iron priest may be good. can increase the cover save to 3+ and you can sit a dread behind it giving the dread a 3+ save the iron priest can repair him! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3237079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Scalphunter Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 really good idea. maybe take a couple of fen wolves to take the first few wounds. also an iron priest may be good. can increase the cover save to 3+ and you can sit a dread behind it giving the dread a 3+ save the iron priest can repair him! How is the Iron Priest increasing the cover save? They have the Battlesmith rule which lets them repair vehicles but no Bolster Defenses ability and no errata that I have says they have gained that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3237426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 why don't you field a hyperios air defence battery with it? it's a fast attack choice available to us too. sure it's only BS3 but it's twin linked and has heat seeker missiles. due to T6, 2W and it's 3+ save it's harder to kill it, and it doesn't require you to have a unit/model man the gun. an interesting loadout might be 1 x aegis defence line + 2 hyperios air defence platforms. this is only 10 points more than the aegis+quadgun but is in my opinion definetly an option worth exploring Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3237645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwolfalpha Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 really good idea. maybe take a couple of fen wolves to take the first few wounds. also an iron priest may be good. can increase the cover save to 3+ and you can sit a dread behind it giving the dread a 3+ save the iron priest can repair him! Unfortunately, Iron Priests don't get Bolster defense, but I still love the idea. Servitors for extra wounds and a heavy weapon for more dakka, and a dread laying down some death with a 4+ cover and Battlesmith, that is a beautiful thing. I really want to try this out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3237784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORKILL Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 15 Fenrisian wolves, a Rune Priest w/ Chooser of the Slain and a Wolf Priest with Saga of the Hunter. lots of bodies, Preferred Enemy, +1 to the cover save and BS5! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3238177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 really good idea. maybe take a couple of fen wolves to take the first few wounds. also an iron priest may be good. can increase the cover save to 3+ and you can sit a dread behind it giving the dread a 3+ save the iron priest can repair him! Unfortunately, Iron Priests don't get Bolster defense, but I still love the idea. Servitors for extra wounds and a heavy weapon for more dakka, and a dread laying down some death with a 4+ cover and Battlesmith, that is a beautiful thing. I really want to try this out. forgot iron priests dont get bolster defence. it would be good for the codex marine players but then again talion and some scouts are going to be be awsome behind a defence lin for the codex marine players. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3238737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runesch Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 And Bolster defence is only +1 cover to ruins :( Sincerly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3238765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'm a big fan of taking the ADL with Icarus lascannon, 1 Rune Priest with Prescience and CotS. Sit that back with a squad of Long Fangs and you get 5 "twin-linked" missile launcher shots and 1 "twin linked" Lascannon shot. At BS5 and re-rolls, the lascannon is a better bet for taking down flyers than the Quad-Gun. It does cost more but you get more of a force multiplication than the lone wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3241597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 At BS5 and re-rolls, the lascannon is a better bet for taking down flyers than the Quad-Gun. Choser gives +1BS only to Runpriest itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3241823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yes but don't you fire the weapon emplacement with controller's BS? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3242316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadir Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 But if you control it, you can not fire other weapons (or cast "shooting" speels) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3243913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 But if you control it, you can not fire other weapons (or cast "shooting" speels) Yeah, but you're a divination rune priest... what shooting spells? That said, I'm not sure that a Chooser of the Slain is worth it if you're rerolling attack rolls. 8/9 chance to hit is good already... is there any real need to buff it to a 35/36 chance? Leaving points costs aside, I'm not sure that the icarus is better at taking down AV12 than a quad gun, in the hands of a rune priest (even with prescience, which does nothing for quad guns). assuming the same chance to hit, an icarus will glance once and pen 3 times per shot, to the quad gun's 1/1. The icarus' pens will cause 1 1/3 hull points each on average (leaving aside damage results other than wrecked), while the quad gun's pens will cause 1 1/6. So the icarus is 1+ 3* (1 1/3) = 5 hull points per 6 hits. The quad gun is 1 + 1 1/6 = 2 1/6 hull points per 6 hits. But you'll hit 4x more often, so that's actually 8 4/6 hull points after the 24 shots you'll have made. Isn't that better? Of course, it's more expensive. And I've left out other damage results (e.g. immobilized). And the lascannon is probably going to be better against AV 13/14. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3244168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 You might be right there. Mathhammer seems to agree with you as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265452-aegis-defense-line-options/#findComment-3244216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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