Horus Heresy Era White Scars

[Warhamster Horus]

Hey they, while I'm fairly new to this forum I've been lurking for many a year. Every since I got into the hobby 8 years I have developed a profound love for the HH era, however the lack of support for the era itself has always put me off getting into gaming or painting/modelling a HH era army. So long story short after much hard deliberation I settled on the White Scars, partly down to the fact I've never actually seen a 30k White Scars army so I'll have a wider scope in which to come up with something unique. So I came here to B&C to ask for some advice on my ideas and some general queries about 30k about 30k White Scars.

 

Ideas

 

1. Horse Tail Talismans- I was going to customize the Space Wolf wolf talismans to have horse tails on them rather than a Wolf tail, however I'm abit lost as to how I'll achieve this. My first thought was to use Ork topknots on the end of the talisman holder. Do you think this would work brothers?

 

2. Topknots- On a few of my marines I was going to add topknots from Ork/Chaos Space marine kits. Although, Im not sure what colour to paint them, I'am however leaning towards red atm.

 

3. Mechanised- The army would be fully mechanised, full of bikes, jetbikes and Tactical Squads in Rhinos to represent the White Scars lightning fast raids.

 

4. Scimitars- All powerswords in my army would be Scimitars.

 

5. Powerlances- I'd quite like my Bike and Jetbike squads to have Powerlances, but I'm not sure how to go about modelling them. Any ideas?

 

Queries

 

1. Red Shoulder Pad Trim- As far as I'm aware HH WHite Scars are depicted without the red shoulder pad trim. However, I've noticed from Betrayal that the idea that the Legions have a singular set of markings seems to be slowly written out of the fluff. So my question is would it be ok to have my WS with a red shoulder trim, or is there a piece of specific fluff that states it was somesort of honour marking or similar?

 

2. Scar/Lightning- Where the lightning markings around on 30k WS?

 

3. Armour Marks- What armour marks were most commonly seen on the WS? I'm guessing mostly Mk II, with a fair bit of MK IV and VI hrown in due to them being at the Siege, with very little Mk III due to it's bulk, and very little Mk V due them being supplied with the new Mk VI once they got to Terra rather than the older marks.

 

4. Destroyer Squads- Were destroyer squads seen in any bulk in the WHite Scars Legion? My gut instinct says no, but I'd just thought I'd ask.

 

Please post your thoughts and comments below, thankyou in advance. :)

[Andystarscream]

3. Armour Marks- What armour marks were most commonly seen on the WS? I'm guessing mostly Mk II, with a fair bit of MK IV and VI hrown in due to them being at the Siege, with very little Mk III due to it's bulk, and very little Mk V due them being supplied with the new Mk VI once they got to Terra rather than the older marks.

 

taken from forge world website mk 6 armour:

The studded left shoulder pad, taken from the previous MkV pattern, commemorates the glory of those heroes who stood at the Eternity Gate alongside the Emperor himself.

 

so going on that i'd say no as they haven't fought in that battle yet :eek

[Nova_Dew]

1. you could look at bitz shops for Barded Elven Steeds/Armoured Horses/Medieval Horse tails since they come separate and would give you three styles of horse tail.

 

2. I would go with Horse Hair colours myself but any colour could work since they could be dyed.

 

5. Power Sword on a stick works but depending on the sword could look bad try looking for ones from the BA DC sprues.

 

both the IA and Collected Visions have white trim... and its easier to paint a new trim over white then a white trim over a colour

 

the Cars and Lightning where there since they were Pack/Tribe markings carried over from the home world additions to the legion.

 

I'd say any and all upto and including MK.V depending how late into the heresy your playing.

 

as for Destroyer squads no idea from the first HH FW book sorry... all legions use the base list from it and so far seem to be able to pick any of it though so go for them

[AdamR]

Garro: Sword of Truth feature White Scars with red trim and lightning emblems.

[Warhamster Horus]

@ Andystarscream- Thanks for the reply buddy, I was going to set the army just before the Siege so I could use the Mk VI still surely? I was going to say the studded pad was just left over from the Mk V plate. (spare parts)

 

@ Nova_Dew-

 

1. I love the Fantasy horses idea (I can't believe I didn't think of that, it's so obvious!) I even have a few spare from Island of Blood lying around which will be perfect for the job.

2. I was considering horse hair colours, but I was going to use those on the actual horse hair talismans themselves hence my dilema. Thanks for the feedback though. :blink:

5. I actually own the DC set, some of the parts in there do look suitably awesome. However, I just had a moment of inspiration, I think I'm going to use the Tomb King Tomb Guard (all TK iconagraphy filed off ofc) for the powerlances.

 

And thankyou for clearing up the tribe markings. :P

 

@AdamR- That's great news, thankyou very much. I really wanted my WS too have red trim and lightning so it's good to know it will fit in with (new) established cannon.

 

Thankyou all for the replies, much appreciated fellas.

[caprera]

MKVI Corvus is not supplied to any Legion until the battle of Terra is over apart from the Raven Guard.

 

Even those are only "hand-made" Artificier armours. Common ones still have to put in line at the time, so no, I wouldn't include MKVI unless you want to picture the Legion in it's chase after the rebels...

 

I would stick to MKIV and MKV in case of the battle of Terra setting along with MKII for veterans, since MKIII I was told it's a specialists' equipment.

[spu00sed]

There s no current information on the whites scars using destroyers

 

All we have to go on is that they are a scorched earth unit.

 

If the scars feel like bringing total ruin to a planet then they will bring some destroyers along

[caprera]

For info like that I think you will have to wait for the dedicated book

[Vodunius]

MKVI Corvus is not supplied to any Legion until the battle of Terra is over apart from the Raven Guard.

 

WD129 and Collected Visions both put MkVII being issues to loyalists on Terra before it happens.

 

Collected Visions puts some MkVI on Isstvan V, WD129 says it was rushed into production as Horus forces closed in on the solar system but didn't specify just how soon - this could put it in production in time for Isstvan V since RT era fluff did have traitor fleet assets probing the solar system before Isstvan V, tho WD129 did put MkV as being issued extensively to the Isstvan V forces.

 

Collected Visions had pictures of White Scars in MkVII armour with red trims.

 

I'm not sure whether White Scars would be a fan of MkIII - it makes sense for things like Devastators which supposedly they don't use, its cumbersome nature might make it a hinderance for regular bikes but I could see it finding some favour for land speeder and attack bike crew, possibly jetbikes as well.

[caprera]

MKVI Corvus is not supplied to any Legion until the battle of Terra is over apart from the Raven Guard.

WD129 and Collected Visions both put MkVII being issues to loyalists on Terra before it happens.

Collected Visions puts some MkVI on Isstvan V, WD129 says it was rushed into production as Horus forces closed in on the solar system but didn't specify just how soon - this could put it in production in time for Isstvan V since RT era fluff did have traitor fleet assets probing the solar system before Isstvan V, tho WD129 did put MkV as being issued extensively to the Isstvan V forces.

 

I didn't know about WD129, I was just quoting from the book "Deliverance Lost". An Imperial Fists party reaches Deliverance with a cargo of MKVI armours. All Artificier (from that passage that seems to mean simply crafted, like hand-made, not produced in line) and that it was also named Corvus for the Raven Guard being those who tested those new armours in combat. This is what I read, but I'm positive there are always multiple versions of everything in BG... :lol:

[b1soul]

The art in Brotherhood of the Storm shows marines with topknots/horsetails tied with red bands. The hair colour is of course black

[Onejackshort]

Red Trim in 40K designates there Company as in the 3rd. As per the codex astartes. I know they dont follow it closely but the trim colours are the same as the ultra marines system. there are some references to red trim in 30K so go with what u like.

[ThisisJimmy]

Red Trim in 40K designates there Company as in the 3rd. As per the codex astartes. I know they dont follow it closely but the trim colours are the same as the ultra marines system. there are some references to red trim in 30K so go with what u like.

 

I don't think that is strictly true. As you say, the White Scars of 40k are not particularly Codex adherent, and given that all images of 40k White Scars are with red trim, it is far more likely that the Scars don't denote Brotherhoods by shoulder pad trim colour.

 

And good on you brother for joining the V Legion, you've made the right choice. With my Scars, I've made use of a lot of Space Wolf parts, keeping the pelts as is. My reasoning behind this is that they are more likely to keep track of their kills as trophies, rather than their horses. For most of the Chogorians, their horses would be far too valuable to turn into trophies whilst alive, and a dead horse would be of no use short of being food. That is however, just my view on things.

 

I also wrestled with whether or not to go with red trims. In the end I chose not to, to keep in line with the IA article. A lot of new art and descriptions has, however, been with red trim, so I don't think you can go too far wrong.

 

Armour mark wise, I went for bulk Mk4, but that was largely because I liked the look. Mk2 would be a safe bet as well, and, for me, Mk5 and 6 would be perfectly acceptable if you're looking at a later Heresy era.

 

Scars and lightning would be perfect. They represent the tribal markings of the Chogorians, so definitely go for it.

 

If, for whatever reason, you wanted to check out my Scars, check out the Tale of Twenty Gamers thread in the WIP board. I haven't made a whole lot of progress, but there might be some things to give you some ideas.

[Vodunius]

Red Trim in 40K designates there Company as in the 3rd. As per the codex astartes. I know they dont follow it closely but the trim colours are the same as the ultra marines system. there are some references to red trim in 30K so go with what u like.

and given that all images of 40k White Scars are with red trim

 

The uniform example art in How to Paint Space Marines and the current codex has white trim.

 

Red is blatantly the chapters secondary colour however: see aformentioned picture - which drops the red trim but shifts the red to the chest eagle and squad marking, much like the Blood Angels shifted their black trim to the chest eagle. So without any canon examples of something like black or green trim I'd assume they don't use trim to denote company.

 

I must say I have a perverse notion to take a note from the original Mk7 Ultramarines scheme and do some White Scars with red trims and green right arms to denote 4th company..

[Emperor's Furor]

Yeah, the wall paper i got with Brotherhood of the Storm had white bikes with red trim as well as some red trim on the background white scars.

[Nova_Dew]

and OP you need to post a picture of the power lances... so i dont borrow the idea :D

[Lord_Caerolion]

Collected Visions puts some MkVI on Isstvan V

 

Ahh, good old Collected Visions... Putting the Mk VI into existance before there's even been a Heresy to make Mk V.

[Jareddm]

Collected Visions puts some MkVI on Isstvan V

 

Ahh, good old Collected Visions... Putting the Mk VI into existance before there's even been a Heresy to make Mk V.

 

Agreed. Part of me likes to imagine that FW and BL have their own historical revisions team going through the Collected Visions and cleaning up or erasing everything it contained. At this point, I feel it does more harm than good in explaining the HH and looking back at some of that art from the olden times is cringe-worthy. All personal opinion mind you.

[Emperor's Furor]

There were MK VI about it was being tested by several legions prior to proper distribution as seen in Deliverance Lost.

[Blacksad]

top-knot heads : marauder horsemen from the fantasy chaos warriors line

 

lances: I'm not certain, but I believe the Chaos Knights' arms would be good for a power armoured figure, and since most field their knights using the ensorcer... thingy weapons, they should be rather easily traded as bits

 

horse hair talismans: cheap brushes. cut off the brush-part, and glue it to the socketpart of the SW wolf tail talismans?

[Marshal Wilhelm]

The Grey Knight force "halberds" - which are actually glaives, would make lovely lances. Of course they aren't super long, but these are miniatures for using and not just posing, right?

[SillyDreadnought]

The only problem is that the Power Lance isn't a valid choice for the Space Marine Legions. The only option in the entire book that can currently take Power Lances is the Emperor's Children Palantine Blades choice. There's a clear stipulation that entries with 'Power weapons' must be modeled with either axes, swords or mauls.

 

 

 

That said, I fully expect the White Scars to -get- Power Lances when they get their specific book so it's not something to make a fuss over.

[Nova_Dew]

Any option for a Power weapon can take any power weapon from the list in the 40k rule book as long as its mentioned

[caprera]

Why not just wait for the right book ? :woot:

[Veteran Sergeant]

MKVI Corvus is not supplied to any Legion until the battle of Terra is over apart from the Raven Guard.

 

WD129 and Collected Visions both put MkVII being issues to loyalists on Terra before it happens.

 

Collected Visions puts some MkVI on Isstvan V, WD129 says it was rushed into production as Horus forces closed in on the solar system but didn't specify just how soon - this could put it in production in time for Isstvan V since RT era fluff did have traitor fleet assets probing the solar system before Isstvan V, tho WD129 did put MkV as being issued extensively to the Isstvan V forces.

 

Collected Visions had pictures of White Scars in MkVII armour with red trims.

 

I'm not sure whether White Scars would be a fan of MkIII - it makes sense for things like Devastators which supposedly they don't use, its cumbersome nature might make it a hinderance for regular bikes but I could see it finding some favour for land speeder and attack bike crew, possibly jetbikes as well.

You have to remember that the fluff has changed as Forge World has tried to sell you more overpriced resin models of Heresy Era Space Marines. :woot:

 

Yes, the original fluff had Power Armor development more or less stagnating after the Heresy, with VIII being the only truly "new" development. However, slowly but surely, it seems that Mk IV has become the "cutting edge" at the time of the Heresy. I'm actually kinda surprised we haven't gotten the Praetor Pattern armor of the Ultramarines yet from Forgeworld, lol.