Horus Heresy Era White Scars

[caprera]

There's so much i don't know about armour patterns ;) What do you mean about the MKIV ? Is it like the top equipment ?

 

I'm actually kinda surprised we haven't gotten the Praetor Pattern armor of the Ultramarines yet from Forgeworld, lol.

 

That will come with the Calth book i suppose ?

 

 

P.s.

Better FW overpriced than GW overpriced <_<

[Rider-75]

Mk6 was being loaded by the IF on Mars in Mechanicum as they desperately tried to grab as much materiel as they could before the civil war on mars got too hot.

 

The real successor of mk4 is mk 6.

 

Mk5 isn't really an armour in its own right, borrowing bits from everywhere. The helmet was retooled from terminator prototypes, the cabling and some other parts being bodged from vehicle parts (especially the rivets used to bond the ceramite to the adamantium) - essentially every suit on mk5 is pretty much whatever could be used to make something cheap n cheerful and workable.

 

 

 

The WS were well out if the Sol system though, so I'm not sure what numbers of mk6 they would actually have had.

[caprera]

Thanks Rider, do you think we will see many more armour reworks in the future ? I mean not just for wallet-sake but MKVI could use a Legion version (while I hope they will change the helmet closer to the original)...

 

What's that Ultramarines armour you were talking about ? Is it that modern-looking one ?

[Veteran Sergeant]

What's that Ultramarines armour you were talking about ? Is it that modern-looking one ?

It's never actually been identified with a picture, only referred to in the novels.

 

Most people assume it is some kind of variant of this armor that was illustrated in the Sabertooth card game and the Horus Heresy Collected Visions, mostly around this helmet:

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/76/1939f547435e419d8d7b73eef00f69e1/l.jpg

 

A few people have made some really cool interpretations.

Customfish:

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/9/26/275241_md-Golden%20Demon,%20Spacemarine,%20Ultramarines.jpg

Apologist:

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/4/3/25784_sm-Pre-heresy,%20True-scale,%20Ultramarines.jpg

[SillyDreadnought]

Any option for a Power weapon can take any power weapon from the list in the 40k rule book as long as its mentioned

 

"A Note On Power Weapons:

 

Wherever in this book's rules sections a model is described as being equipped with a 'power weapon' or has the option to take one then either a power sword, power axe or power maul (See the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook ) may be freely chosen so long as they are clearly depicted on the model"

 

Page 187, Horus Heresy Book 1: Betrayal. No mention of Power Lances appears anywhere else than the Palantine Blades Squad available only to the Emperor's Children.

[caprera]

It's never actually been identified with a picture, only referred to in the novels.

 

Most people assume it is some kind of variant of this armor that was illustrated in the Sabertooth card game and the Horus Heresy Collected Visions, mostly around this helmet

I see, I have Collected Visions and i wondered if that was just a book interpretation or an actual armour model. Maybe I won't totally drop the idea of making Ultramarines in the future :)

[Nova_Dew]

Any option for a Power weapon can take any power weapon from the list in the 40k rule book as long as its mentioned

 

"A Note On Power Weapons:

 

Wherever in this book's rules sections a model is described as being equipped with a 'power weapon' or has the option to take one then either a power sword, power axe or power maul (See the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook ) may be freely chosen so long as they are clearly depicted on the model"

 

Page 187, Horus Heresy Book 1: Betrayal. No mention of Power Lances appears anywhere else than the Palantine Blades Squad available only to the Emperor's Children.

 

 

I stand corrected Brother.. ah well

[Rider-75]

My assumption has always been that the Praetor armour is the style used in the Sabretooth ccg for the Heresy.

I'm really tempted to follow Apologists helmet styles on at least a few if my art scaled Ultramarines as his work was one of my main inspirations for heading down that path in the first place :P

[caprera]

True-scale would be too much for me. I will be happy enough with the little conversions I'm planning now for my Raven Guard-White Scars-Ultramarines force...

[Cpt Lazarus]

For the power lances try these http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/index.php?r...;product_id=144

 

a little trimming should make them work. Alternatively Eldar shining spear's laser lances could work, but would require a lot of conversion work

[TennisBall]

Collected Visions ...At this point, I feel it does more harm than good in explaining the HH and looking back at some of that art from the olden times is cringe-worthy. All personal opinion mind you.

 

The written account in Collected Visions is good, the art however is all over the place. The art does not conform with the fluff on power armour described elsewhere or even in the book itself. They're random images and good for conversion ideas, but otherwise not useful for gauging weapons and armour.

[caprera]

I think Forgeworld should have made clearer that Collected Visions was more of an artistic/narrative showcase rather than proper fluff :)

[Verythrax Draconis]

That ultramarine helmet in fact exists in the fluff, it's a Praetor pattern - supposed to be used with the MKIV armor, I guess. They were produced in Macragge exclusively for that legion usage.

 

The same way that the ECs have the Phoenician pattern helmet - basically all "exclusive" helmets in the Collected Visions really exist, with just some timeline idiosyncrasies, like the presence of corvus helmets and actual styled TDA armor and bizarre interpretations of Rhinos :blush:

 

I personally like to think the the CV artwork as late interpretations done by some 41st millennium artists :)

[caprera]

If the release timetable doesn't speed up even with the right book in hand we won't have the models.... too much stuff ! :D

[Verythrax Draconis]

Yeah, there's so many things missing from the 1st book that I'm afraid we will need to wait a LOT for the second one, of several models will not be doe at all :)

 

I'm "hoping" on the first, since their books are merely excuses for them to sell those exclusive models, so I doubt they will waste the opportunity of releasing everything featured on it.

 

But on a good side, the FW number of releases increased a lot, so maybe we will get both soon enough :D

[Emperor's Furor]

That armour on the Ultramarines is official, it's the praetor pattern that comes up in Know No Fear, it's made on the Ultramar Forgeworld, Konor.

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

Easy conversion for you, maxmini's steam knight heads, look at the second from the right

 

http://www.maxmini.eu/store/images/mxm_bits/steamknighthelmets.jpg

 

You can order all of a single helmet, so that's your ultras done :P

[caprera]

Classic choice, also the one in the middle is perfect for some MKII but I've seen many with the first on the right. The only one less successful is the second from left: the first one is good for Thousand Sons

[Verythrax Draconis]

The middle one is perfect for Iron Warriors, pre and post-heresy.

[The_Excubitors]

Easy conversion for you, maxmini's steam knight heads, look at the second from the right

 

http://www.maxmini.eu/store/images/mxm_bits/steamknighthelmets.jpg

 

You can order all of a single helmet, so that's your ultras done ;)

 

 

Just grabbed some of those heads you linked, conversion ideas flying into my mind, thanks for posting!

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

No Problem, I've got a bunch of them myself so I know they're good quality. Helpful guys too. I ordered 20ish heads and asked if I could have 3 4 and 5 from the pic above as I didn't like the first two and they were happy to :)