IronKobra Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I have fairly recently become a full fledged convert to the Vallejo airbrush surface black primer, its just fantastic stuff. My question is has anyone got any experience with the German red brown colour version? Being a Blood Angels painter just curious how anyone has found this stuff as its colour swatch looks like it would be a nice way to quickly get infantry and tanks based. A primer coat of this primer, shade, then air brush mid tones and highlight as normal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Lorien Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 German red brown primer is an excellent primer if you want your tanks have a rusted look(you need to follow it up with a tad lighter orangy brown). As for blood angels:It might also be a good basecoat/ primer for red based armies (admech , blood angels , khorne), albeit maybe a bit dark. Armorama review of Vallejo primer - see pics to the right of the article Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3236045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GumbaFish Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I am curious for those that use these how well does it adhere to the models themselves (aka does it easily rub off) and how well does paint adhere to it. I have been intrigued for a while for multiple reasons but for some reason I always have the preconception that aerosol primers adhere better to the models than do airbrushed ones but I am uncertain if this is true. It would be nice to be able to airbrush prime some things, especially in the winter when I can't really open the windows or do it outside that easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3238002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saadeath Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Where does one even buy vallejo colors? I'm in the US and I seem to only be able to find UK sites. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3238042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GumbaFish Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Where does one even buy vallejo colors? I'm in the US and I seem to only be able to find UK sites. Miniature Market and The War Store both stock Vallejo, but Miniature Market doesn't carry these primers. I have had several orders from each of these sites and been pleased with the service from both, though I tend to favor Miniature Market. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3238176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azatoth Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I am curious for those that use these how well does it adhere to the models themselves (aka does it easily rub off) and how well does paint adhere to it. I have been intrigued for a while for multiple reasons but for some reason I always have the preconception that aerosol primers adhere better to the models than do airbrushed ones but I am uncertain if this is true. It would be nice to be able to airbrush prime some things, especially in the winter when I can't really open the windows or do it outside that easily. From one of the users: c5fliesSAID Hi Al, In short....EXCELLENT! Once they cure the primers are very tough, I painted the samples in the review 3 days ago and I cannot scratch them off with my fingernail. Of course, especially for the first couple of hours, they are vulnerable to damage as with any 'wet' paint. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3238266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterdyne Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I use the vallejo PU red brown on BA. It is quite dark, so you do have to paint over it, and usually do a glaze to keep things rich, but it's a good starting point. With all the PU primers, you MUST leave it to cure fully. 20 minutes does -not- cut it. I strongly suggest overnight at least. Not leaving it long enough is by the most common reason for it flaking off, or peeling when scratched. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3238640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GumbaFish Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 One other question, do you find that you need multiple coats to make it durable or does it work in one go? I find often airbrushed colors are very delicate and wear off but again I haven't worked with the primers. I definately think I'll give them a go and I like how they come in various sizes so I can get smaller bottles of different colors for special projects. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3239399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterdyne Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 One coat is enough I find, but I can't stress enough - you MUST let it cure fully. It will look (and to some extent feel) dry very quickly (within around an hour) and you can paint on it at that point, but I really, really wouldn't recommend doing so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3239606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GumbaFish Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Sounds good. I typically wait at least a day, and usually longer, for primer to dry anyways so that shouldn't really be an issue. While aerosol primer is easy to use wouldn't mind transitioning away from it and the best part is I don't have to go mad priming things to build up an inventory before winter! I guess I can post my thoughts back here once I get an order in =) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3239801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterdyne Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Here, a small can of good primer (Tamiya etc) is hugely expensive. The Vallejo stuff is far more efficient. You will wonder how you did without it. Oh; when cleaning up; flush with water first. Do not run thinners whilst there is primer in the AB it will turn gunky and be a pain to clean. Water, then a little tamiya thinners works well, before swabbing down with a proper solvent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3240025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GumbaFish Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Don't mean to dig this thread back up but I had some follow up impressions and questions. So I finally recieved a few bottles of the primer in a couple of different colors. It sprayed through the airbrush very nicely without thinning, went on smoothly, and leveled out into a very nice finish in all of my tests. I then checked along the way for a few days to see how they were curing and when they would be hard etc... Well for some of the colors after a day or so they were hard and wouldnt even come off with my fingernail but for the german red brown rubbed off with just me handling the edges of the base with my thumbs. I was wondering have you found that some colors adhere better than others, or is there some other trick (like I didn't shake it up enough or something) that would cause this? I sprayed a few models from different armies with the colors so its not that the models themselves had some release agent etc... on them. Like I said I had no issues with the others but as I see the red brown being the one I use the most I am a little worried that all my paintjobs will just rub off easily. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3287227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterdyne Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Best practice is not to handle by any painted surface. I glue everything to cocktail sticks and use a big block of polystyrene foam as a stand. I only handle stuff once varnished. You do really need to shake the :cuss out of it though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3287588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I'm using the German red/Brown without any issues. Normally mix with the Vallejo Airbrush thinner and leave 24 hours for it to dry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3288746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLD Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I use the red brown with no problems - I've used it as a base for Minotaurs and Blood Ravens. It's definitely a darker red - if I was doing Blood Angels, I'd go for a grey primer (the vallejo poly-urethane is great) and then base with Gory Red (Red Gore in old GW money - I still haven't fully transitioned to the new GW paints!) As for durability, I've had some issues with the primers if I don't let them cure, or accidentally chip with a nail. Best advice though is above - pop a pin in one leg, and either attach it to a cork cap, or hold it by the pin to paint :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3289425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I concur with the comments I use the red brown with no problems - I've used it as a base for Minotaurs and Blood Ravens. It's definitely a darker red - if I was doing Blood Angels, I'd go for a grey primer.... I've tried using it with BA, and it takes a lot of airbrushed red layers (and a red oil filter/glaze) to loose the brownish tinge from the undercoat. Looks absolutely fine when completed, but I end up nearly dumping a bottles worth of Vallejo Model Air over five models. Perhaps I'm over thinning the red when I don't need to though, I am adding the Vallejo airbrush thinner..... I'll probably end up swopping to the grey primer with my next batch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265567-vallejo-colour-primers/#findComment-3290691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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