Blackadder Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Blackadder's FW Chaos Warhound Build I debated whether to append this to the Lucius scratchbuilt Warhound thread or start a new thread. There will be a side by side comparison of Lucie my scratchbuilt to the various components of an actual Forge World titan which should prove interesting and hopefully I will not be tearing out too much hair over grievous discrepancies. I opted for the Chaos version because considering FW's propensity for less than perfect castings I figured this would be so much less noticeable on something that is supposed to be outrageously deformed. That and I just think the Chaos version is the more interesting of the Mars Pattern. I'll be posting images as soon as I get over the initial excitement of ownership of a real FW Warhound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Below is the initial opening of the shipment carton with the top sheet of bubble wrap removed. I suppose FW tested the durability of the various pieces of brittle resin and arrived at the optimum packaging and shipping procedure that all components survive the ministrations of the erstwhile UPS package handlers. To the untrained eye the contents look like they were unceremoniously just dumped into the box. http://i.imgur.com/vIdWF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vIdWFl.jpg Unpacking the container revealed the only thing reasonably protected was the instructions and certificate of ownership. http://i.imgur.com/p3wCM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/p3wCMl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzy-xc Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 lol. Good ole FW. I had the same problem when they shipped me my Revenant Titan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montuhotep Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 And this surprises you how, exactly? :P Looking forwards to this as I might, just might scratchbuild my own one day - or I might buy one when I have the dosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 The first order of business and to address something I am dying to know is how well did my best guesstimate of the size and shape of the weapons compare to a FW original? I had to use my best estimate in relative size for virtually all aspects of my scratchbuilt Wolf Warhound having never seen one in the flesh ..er ah resin that is and it has always been a source of consternation how Lucie would measure up to the real McCoy. I know even from the pictures later acquired on the web that Lucie has more robust legs in cross-section than the regulation titan and that changes I made to the carapace and hull give her a more massive appearance but that was intentional. The major concern was the weapons, head, waist and feet. http://i.imgur.com/70y20.jpg http://i.imgur.com/70y20l.jpg Well for the weapons at least........... aside from the caliber of the megabolter its a pretty good match http://i.imgur.com/kb0Ik.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kb0Ikl.jpg I am very please that there is no significant discrepancy, whew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 An addenda to the last post, there is significant difference with my turbo laser compared to the FW original. It appears my laser's caliber is less than and (this really gets me) my infrared sight is longer? Referring to the bottom view I had no image to go by so my detail is sparse compared to the real McCoy. But I think I can live with it. http://i.imgur.com/6v0xz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6v0xzl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6u38y.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6u38yl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sfmaO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sfmaOl.jpg More comparisons to follow even if they reveal further discrepancies. :Blush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Hmm. Looks like the weapon's been retooled. I'd just pass it off as a different pattern, myself. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 Of course, as I understand it there are great variations in other forgeworld titans other than the Mars pattern. I'm just surprised I missed so greatly on the Turbolaser I have to refer to my store of images to find the ones that I used for reference. Meanwhile Lucie sustained a wee bit of battle damage and I can use this time to repair and upgrade her attached pieces to rare-earth magnets and remove the tape and Velcro adherents. http://i.imgur.com/NGAIw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NGAIwl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 Since the image host I was using no longer supports my images I have to repost a lot of the lost work on this new host. I took new pictures and am incorporating the renovation modifications to Lucie so as not to bore those that have seen the original posts I am also including a side by side comparison with a FW original albeit a Chaos Mars Pattern bit the mechanical components are virtually the same. http://i.imgur.com/6DG2V.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6DG2Vl.jpg First the head, the strange rings behind the head are the gymbal I made to allow the head to swivel back and forth and up and down a feature not included in the FW model but hey they included an interior! Next a profile view of the neck mechanism and head with a relative size comparison: http://i.imgur.com/zWG7g.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zWG7gl.jpg Finally a closer view of the neck pieces, what the hey I took the picture why not post it: http://i.imgur.com/EX6s4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/EX6s4l.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzy-xc Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I like how you did the gymbal. Good pics for comparison. Thanks for posting them. Question, what is the length of the mars pattern turbo laser? I was surprised at your use of velcro. How crude a way to do that when all your other solutions have been so brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 It isn't so much velco as two interlocking plastic strips that are a sort of 3D zipper. I had some available and it worked very well but now I have decided to try rare earth magnets. Mainly as a test for all the movable/removable pieces on the new Warhound. As for the gymbal ring I neglected to explain how it works: I used 1.25 dia PVC tubing coupling fitting cut in half crosswise and two thin rings of tubing as races to trap the ball. The ball is a 1.25" wooden drawer knob from a craft store such as 'Michaels' or AC Moore or Hobby Lobby. I beveled the thin rings and glued the outer ring to the coupling installed the ball and press fitted the inner ring to supply tension to the ball. I then threaded the ball onto the neck stud. The whole mechanism fits into a denuded (I sanded off the fuzz with a belt sander old paint roller plastic sleeve that I use to insure a roughed fit into the foam core hull opening (I'll never use foam board again) intending to glue it in but it wasn't necessary and I left it loose in case I work up the ambition to install lights on Lucie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzy-xc Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 And why never again with foamboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 And why never again with foamboard? I was a mere beginner having only scratch built one Superheavy tank previously when I started Lucie and I thought the foam filled poster board was a quick economical light-weigh way to build a hull instead of Plasticard. Aside from not allowing me a ability to build an interior it also was difficult to get the Plasticard sheet styrene to adhere to the foam board. I ultimately used 7 minute epoxy (messy stuff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skagen42 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 What is that head you have sitting next to the FW one ? looks like a wolf head ? dont think ive seen that before anywhere ? Where is it from ? Looks awsome all in all :) Cheers ~Skagen42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 What is that head you have sitting next to the FW one ? looks like a wolf head ? dont think ive seen that before anywhere ? Where is it from ? There are two heads on the picture. The yellow one is the head of my scratchbuilt Warhound who I refer to as 'Lucie' The other head, the gray one, is the subject of this thread The Forge World Chaos Titan: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-4000...TITAN-BODY.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 Well here it is; the first documented proof of insanity in my family. Not only have I purchased a Chaos Warhound for my son last Christmas but I bid and won one for myself just recently and to compound the mania I bid on a Lucius Pattern Wolf Warhound from Russia and I won that one as well. Someone stop me before I can no longer afford to support the national debt............. Now I'm gonna have to sell my kids for scientific experiments............ On the plus side I do have a comparison of my scratch work to a real bona fide Lucius Pattern Warhound............ On the minus side there are discrepancies.:o http://i.imgur.com/otufW.jpg http://i.imgur.com/otufWl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/N0FiK http://i.imgur.com/N0FiKl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NYBk7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NYBk7l.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3RZZj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3RZZjl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 You know my position on forging and copyright violations and hell I don't even buy 'Luk' gasoline. I looked the images over closely on ebay and other than the resin colour which FW used for some of their models (I have a FW Baneblade cast in Axson F16, resin that I'm sure isn't a forgery). I certainly didn't want a knockoff inferior casting. If you look closely in the far right of the image there are what appears to be the conduits cast in black neoprene and the cooling compartment screen of the proper size and shape. as the original FW models used to come with; not cast resin as they do now. http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Warhammer-Forge-World-LUCIUS-PATTERN-WARHOUND-TITAN-WOLF-PLASMA-TURBO-LASER-/00/s/MTA4M1gxNjAw/$T2eC16J,!zUE9s38-I5FBQmRGomT8Q~~60_57.JPG On receiving the model my son and I inspected the pieces carefully for evidence of recasting but: all the pieces were there, were crisp edged, not warped, and fit perfectly together with no bubbles or missing detail (Hmmm that should have been a clue; FW models don't ever arrive like that.) If its a copy its damned better than the average original. I took it to be that someone bought it a while ago, saw it was beyond their modeling ability and wisely put it aside instead of botching it up and finally decided to liquidate it for financial reasons. Now I see that theres another from the same seller using exactly the same image.............. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-Forge-Wo...=item3a7c2ed0c3 which has aroused my suspicions. Other than the weird colour (the actual model is a much more beige hue similar to the production Baneblade) What is it to you that indicates it is an illegal cast :question:?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbobrik Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 2 Blackadder, yes, it is a copy. I am from Russia and may tell you that we got really great amount of such forgeworld productsmade from that yellow resin. In most cases the quality is better than the original, because people who create those copies spend long time on original forge world sculpt, and as you know, it is really often to receive forgeworld products not in a great shape. So, in the end, when it all comes to duplicating items, those items are being duplicated from the good smooth surfaces, and I really like to quality. I was only woking on such copy of dreadnought and that was ok for me, but I preper buing originals You may see that Forgeworld never use such material, this titan came with no original box or documents and from my experience it is much easier to break those items than forge world made details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 I'm sorry to hear that as I don't endorse copying and an artist's work is his property even if the work is owned by a company. I shall be more careful on future purchases on ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbobrik Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 yea, have to be more careful or ask at forums before purchasing. I do not like such things too, it is ok to copy little things for your own needs, but not copying big models for selling, not cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 Its time gentlemen for another helpful hint from Héloise AKA the Blackadder. Today regarding a bit kitchen esoterica known as a 'melon baller'. This device serves the useless purpose of gouging out spheroid shaped lumps of melon thereby rendering half the consumable portion melon as waste and also eliminating the hazard of a diner cutting his mouth on a sharp edged piece of melon that has been cut into bite-sized but unsightly non-standardized cubes. http://i.imgur.com/9ltbSl.jpg Let us now see if this rather superfluous device can be employed to a useful purpose. As you know I am pathologically fixated on making the joints of my model movable (for whatever purpose but the fun is in stimulating my brain cells with these little problems). I have searched the hardware stores for thin hollow steel spheres to incorporate into the articulated sockets of the various pieces of model joints. While clearing out the kitchen drawer I found this little gadget that I don't believe I have ever seen used. What ho sayeth I, the very thing I seek what's more they are readily available in dollar stores, Amazon and ebay all for a couple of buck each including shipping............ I found the yellow handled one for $1.25 plus shipping $1.63 Just the thing to partner the rare earth magnets installed in the opposite component of the socket. http://i.imgur.com/PG5KD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PG5KDl.jpg BTW the brown smutchz in the cup is rust.......... Rust is good; it means the steel is magnetic. i.imgur.com/CKjgC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/CKjgCl.jpg keep you eyes open and check wifey's equipment stash. She may have just what you are looking for............. Ahem.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ch@oZ Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Rust is good; it means the steel is magnetic. I know this might be rather tangential to the topic, but... how so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbringer Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Rust is good; it means the steel is magnetic. I know this might be rather tangential to the topic, but... how so? I can answer that one for you, basically it shows whether the metal is ferrous or non ferrous and only ferrous metal contacts Iron and in turn are magnetic. Non Ferrous metals are more resistive to corrosion and wear :lol: The Joys of being an Engineer ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 On a more prosaic level good quality kitchen wear is made of stainless steel; an alloy of steel mixed with chromium. The poorer stuff has less chrome and the worst has no chrome but steel plated with chrome. Thats what we want mild steel because the higher quality of stainless the less magnetic it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbringer Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Also on that stainless is an odd metal as it actually is more likely to be stained than normal steel but does have better rust protection. There are some odd alloys like a nickel alloy which if left in air will "oxidise" (rust) green but once its got the film on it it doesn't get any worst, there is lots of metals like that <_< I like Alkali metals as they're the most fun just add water ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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