Khaines wrath Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Ok so I'm battling a tyranid player who has a big army I swear its over points and decided I'm not gonna sook about it I'm just going to battle him So please tell me: What to do What o avoid What war gear What stuff to give them Ok I'm buying( haven't bought them yet because If someone tells me gk suck or they will be screwed then I will buy another army) Kaldor 2x terminator Librarian Apothecary Rhino Gk squad Dreadknight He's got Hive tyrant Deathleaper 2x lictors Ymargl genestealers 2x genestealers 2x gargoyles 2x hormagaunt 3x biovore 2x spore mine Doom of malan'tai Ok so he may be over points but I'm not a wringer so just tell me what to do etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan249 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Get a backbone and tell him he's over points if he actually is. Social Contracts mean nothing without enforcement. Keep light on upgrades that don't add to your ability to remove models and bring as many bodies as you can. Keep your forces consolidated and force him to come to you through choke points and use the opportunity to remove the most urgent threats to you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3239377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 What to do Have a game with the list I suggested in the other thread you made about this; http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=265660 You want pretty much the same stuff against the Tyranids Hive tyrantDeathleaper 2x lictors Ymargl genestealers 2x genestealers 2x gargoyles 2x hormagaunt 3x biovore 2x spore mine Doom of malan'tai That's way too much stuff for 1,500 . Make him show you his list with point cost totals. Nothing about that list looks especially problematic. You out-gun him with my suggested build, and the only things that will threaten the Paladins are the Genestealers, whom you can gun down before they reach you. Doom of Malantai will be a problem, but he's dead in melee so use the Dreadknight for that purpose. 'Warp Quake' should keep those spore mines and Deepstrikers off you. Biovores are pretty much useless in this matchup. Challenge the Tyrant with Draigo, challenge Deathleaper with your Librarian. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3239465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sykosis Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 see, i disagree, we don't have squad sizes or numbers so its hard to judge if the guy is over or not. as a nid player i can tell you he's cutting it close but without upgrades and the like i can't honestly say.added up points for bare minimal units with no upgrades, came to 1380 in points. but again thats assuming he had squads of 10 with the guants/gargoyles/stealers/ymgarls. it also leaves out the spore mines but those are dirt cheap if i remember right. that said, nids are absolutly allergic to all forms of shooting, and grey knights have some obscene shooting! the hardest thing to deal with in his list will be the doom, specifically due to its 3++. if you could afford it i'd recommend a storm raven. mind strike missles are your best bud vs enemy psyckers and nids have a ton of psyckers... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3239691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathlokke Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Does anyone else realize that this isn't a legal list? Deathleaper, Doom, the lictors and Ymgarl are all elite choices. Spore Mines and harpies are FA. He goes over force org in 2 different categories. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3239819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Yeah, the list is illegal on at least two points. Firstly, the force org chart is broken. He's got a minimum of 4 Elites choices, possibly 5 depending on what you meant by "2x Lictors". And furthermore, there is almost no way at all he's got 1500 pts; he's more than likely a few hundred points over. This needs to be fixed before you can even consider playing him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3239845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernitas Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I don't know this Nid player and yet I already have an aversion for him. Not only is he using at least 4 elite slots but he is also a jerk when it comes to basic concepts as fairness and competition. Refusing to show you his list? What the :cuss ! I bet he also "interpretes" the rules different every time to benefit him in different situations... Confront him and demand that he plays your fair and square... or not at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3239953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord-christoph Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 He's not over points, not even close. Without upgrades and without increasing squad numbers he is at 1220. The list is illegal due to FOC though, which could easily be remedied. As for dealing with it, I can't believe I'm going to betray the hive by doing this, but go all power armor with incinerators. If you really want to list tailor, A Crowe purifier list will eat him alive. Everything GK has hard counters Nids. Sit back and blast him, but make sure you charge his tyrant, otherwise he'll eat you alive; the psykout grenades will save your ass. Hell even if you wanted to you could bring your termies, just be sure to bring a lot of incinerators and plenty of BBQ sauce, because your gonna have a lot of roasted meat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3240064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Maybe his list is 2000pts, and he has two detachments? Try running the numbers based on that assumption. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3240073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethernitas Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Why on earth is that even relevant or makes it any better that he is using an illegal or just a straight up bigger list? Doesn't matter if it's 2000 pts 2FOC versus 1500pts or just unfair usage of additional slots. Don't play ppl like that and if u must make sure at least the most basic agreements of a fair WH40K game are in place. edit: ragetypos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3241179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'm just pointing out that the OP may be mis-remembering the units or points. Seeing as the force example was a guestimate and not an exact army list, there is no need to jump down my throat for pointing a possible reason way there are 4 elite units in the 'Nid list. No need to blame malice where a typo or faulty memory could be the likely explanation. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3241666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 looks like a 1500pts double FoC list . funny thing it still gets stomped by GK anyway . I mean realy 2 lictors and death . what was he thinking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3241948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I was under the impression that a second detachment wasn't allowed unless it was a 2000 point game? May have misread that though. OP, I personally would recommend Purifiers with Nemesis Force Halberds. Cleansing Flame is amazeballs against hordes and if you come up against his larger creatures then you've got Initiative 6 Force Weapons and can use Hammerhand to ensure that you're only ever rolling a 5+ to wound. Shadow in the Warp makes relying on Psychic Powers dangerous but if you're going to use Grey Knights that's a risk you'll have to take. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3241964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I've found that putting banners on as many of your units as you can midigates the effects of Shadow in the Warp, as the bonus attacks and bypassing the roll to activate makes up for not using Hammerhand. You still need Daemon Hammers in almost every unit to deal with 2+ armor save 'Fexes if you are attacking at Str 4, though. SJ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265865-grey-knights-vs-tyranids-assistance-needed/#findComment-3242142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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