Count the7 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Has any one else snuck a Master of signal in to there army list? i think as an HQ choice they are compleatly underated. for a cheep HQ choice that you can hide at the back of the board and close enough to give +1 BS to some of you heavyer units as well as the other tricks up his sleave meens that a nicely converted one has found his way in to my army. how ever as a purist who tryes to put a boltgun, bolt pistol holster and mag pouches on to all of my marines, why would you not be able to give him a Bolter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 The bolter restriction does seem a bit odd. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3239426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Who cares about the Bolter, just put it there for eyes' sake. He will be too far anyway to use it. Master of Signal & Vigilator. What do you say :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3239824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count the7 Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 I saw the Vigilator and thought " Great at last i can field a whole scout Army, compleate with HQ choice" then the book says "no! Recon squads are not allowed to be taken as a compulsory troops selection". Buggar, the Dice Gods Urinate in my Promethium tank again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3239963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Until of course we get a Legion that uses Recon Squads as it's main fighting strength ( Oh hi Raven Guard, Alpha Legion.. ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3240538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 There are way too many reasons to wait for the right book before starting while I can't hide the envy for those who already have the rules they need as it seems i will have to wait so much... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3240580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 On that, how are the Recon armor suits supposed to look like? Like the actual scout armor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3241902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Good question, not to mention the sniper rifles in power armour Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3241988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 And about the Justaerin terminators - their entry specify that they use Cataphract armor, but the default terminator entry doesn't specify that - but by the time of the Heresy, the TDA was a novelty, and the Sons of Horus were one of the legions that made most used of them - so can I safely assume that there's only cataphract armor available to everybody in the Istaan III battle? And those Tartaros pattern suits from FW, are this just supposed to be used for veterans in the 41st millennium, or will they be featured in a future HH book? Since they are based on the MkIV armor, I don't think they would be already in use at Istvaan III as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 And about the Justaerin terminators - their entry specify that they use Cataphract armor, but the default terminator entry doesn't specify that - but by the time of the Heresy, the TDA was a novelty, and the Sons of Horus were one of the legions that made most used of them - so can I safely assume that there's only cataphract armor available to everybody in the Istaan III battle? And those Tartaros pattern suits from FW, are this just supposed to be used for veterans in the 41st millennium, or will they be featured in a future HH book? Since they are based on the MkIV armor, I don't think they would be already in use at Istvaan III as well. Haven't FW painted loads of Tartaros pattern suits in World Eater livery (Pre-heresy)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 And about the Justaerin terminators - their entry specify that they use Cataphract armor, but the default terminator entry doesn't specify that - but by the time of the Heresy, the TDA was a novelty, and the Sons of Horus were one of the legions that made most used of them - so can I safely assume that there's only cataphract armor available to everybody in the Istaan III battle? And those Tartaros pattern suits from FW, are this just supposed to be used for veterans in the 41st millennium, or will they be featured in a future HH book? Since they are based on the MkIV armor, I don't think they would be already in use at Istvaan III as well. Haven't FW painted loads of Tartaros pattern suits in World Eater livery (Pre-heresy)? OK, Tartaros pattern must came during the Heresy, since it's based on the MKIV systems. My question is if they would be around during Istvaan III already, the first step of the Heresy. I would not question it being available at the Siege of Terra, for example Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 And about the Justaerin terminators - their entry specify that they use Cataphract armor, but the default terminator entry doesn't specify that - but by the time of the Heresy, the TDA was a novelty, and the Sons of Horus were one of the legions that made most used of them - so can I safely assume that there's only cataphract armor available to everybody in the Istaan III battle? And those Tartaros pattern suits from FW, are this just supposed to be used for veterans in the 41st millennium, or will they be featured in a future HH book? Since they are based on the MkIV armor, I don't think they would be already in use at Istvaan III as well. Haven't FW painted loads of Tartaros pattern suits in World Eater livery (Pre-heresy)? OK, Tartaros pattern must came during the Heresy, since it's based on the MKIV systems. My question is if they would be around during Istvaan III already, the first step of the Heresy. I would not question it being available at the Siege of Terra, for example I really don't know. I thought it was a late heresy thing, but was it present in FW's Istvaan display? I think it was... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCommanderSamirus Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 And about the Justaerin terminators - their entry specify that they use Cataphract armor, but the default terminator entry doesn't specify that - but by the time of the Heresy, the TDA was a novelty, and the Sons of Horus were one of the legions that made most used of them - so can I safely assume that there's only cataphract armor available to everybody in the Istaan III battle? And those Tartaros pattern suits from FW, are this just supposed to be used for veterans in the 41st millennium, or will they be featured in a future HH book? Since they are based on the MkIV armor, I don't think they would be already in use at Istvaan III as well. Haven't FW painted loads of Tartaros pattern suits in World Eater livery (Pre-heresy)? OK, Tartaros pattern must came during the Heresy, since it's based on the MKIV systems. My question is if they would be around during Istvaan III already, the first step of the Heresy. I would not question it being available at the Siege of Terra, for example I really don't know. I thought it was a late heresy thing, but was it present in FW's Istvaan display? I think it was... Look again at the "Legion Terminator Squad" Entry on pg 196. Just above the box at the bottom about Implacable Advance and Prototype Weaponry it says that "Any unit may exchange its Terminator Armour for Cataphractii pattern Armour for Free. If this is the case the entire unit must do so and be appropriately modeled." -Samirus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 In fact it's clear at the wargear section - just now I've noticed that there's 2 TDA entries there ;) So I suppose using tartaros design should be ok - the 40K version would be too new, I believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Technically they are all brand new, but I don't recall the "current" TDA being newer than Tartaros pattern. I could be wrong but... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Indomitus pattern Terminator armour ( the current plastic kit ) is a valid choice for a Heresy-era army, simply because of how mutable the TDA project was, with many differing patterns based on the same concept, hence Tartaros and Indomitus being effectively equal in protection despite differing core designs. The only TDA pattern that would look.... wonky in a heresy army would be the Grey Knight style of Terminator armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yep because that's the only "new" model you mean ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 GK Termie armour was made after the Heresy, so yeah. Everything else was made before or during, so it's fair game for modelling. Heck, you could do a mixed squad of Tartaros and Indomitus, or use all those great Cataprahact conversion parts to make stop-gap suits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caprera Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Yeah you coud be still I don't think that rules-wise we'll see anything but Cataphractii: +1 save can't be bothered and price is the same so... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 But getting Slow and Purposeful for a +1 save isnt that good of a deal, I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3242830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 But getting Slow and Purposeful for a +1 save isnt that good of a deal, I think. Yeah but SnP doesn't really bother terminators, does it? The biggest loss here is the inability to overwatch. But I'd happily switch overwatch for a 4++. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3243784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count the7 Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 Back on subject the new Master of signal has just been put up on FW. MK IV armour, im not to keen on this Mini (just so happens that i have converted my own in MK III, so pics once ive painted him) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3245311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 The new one is based on an old Rogue Trader model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3245313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 The new one is based on an old Rogue Trader model. Yup. Posted it up in the sub forum thread earlier. This guy: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265915-master-of-signal/#findComment-3245347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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