Bat33.1 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Anybody know anything more about this 'Crusade of Fire' other than what is on the GW website describing it as a campaign book? I wonder if this means we may get some specific models to be released alongside the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Nope. Can't even say I have heard about it before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 As far as I can make out, it's just gone up for advance order today. The gw website has all the info that's currently around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Maybe this is a new Campaign they have cooking up... I think I need to get back to the start of my army... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 The fact that we get to see hobbyists and their armies playing the campaign is a plus for me, it's not just Eavy Metal models, although I rather suspect most of the armies will be studio ones painted for White Dwarf etc. It's definitely a nice idea, hopefully it will bring more fluff back into the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Looks to be a 40k equivalent to "Blood in the Badlands", which was... ok. Didn't really see anything in the way of new model releases, and I'm not expecting any here (they likely would have been announced alongside the new book). Likewise, didn't see any rules for new units, let alone new units that could be used in the main game independent of the campaign, so this isn't going to shore up any problems anyone might have with the book. The BitB campaign was a bit sloppy - there were a lot of places that called on, shall we say, "improvisation". Games also tended to be rather large, with rules that leaned towards 2k+ starting sizes, with campaign rules typically adding 500 points or more to each side. The result was a campaign where individual games took basically all day, and trying to keep a group properly organized and playing such time consuming games on a weekly basis was very difficult. I don't regret getting the book, but I also haven't seen a campaign all the way to completion despite trying twice, and after trying twice I'm having a hard time finding people willing to give it a go again. I'll probably pick this book up, but... maybe not. I certainly won't pre-order it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Maybe this is a new Campaign they have cooking up... I think I need to get back to the start of my army... Yes...yes you do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Burn baby burn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Maybe this is a new Campaign they have cooking up... I think I need to get back to the start of my army... Yes...yes you do... Don't worry, Christmas look like it will be very nice to me this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfgar 25 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Burn baby burn! In the truth, it is "Burn, money, burn!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 ;): YOU ALREADY HAVE MY MONEY GW!!! LEAVE ME ALONE!!! Ill have to get this now, Im very excited by the idea of a sanctioned campaign pack for GW that different gaming groups can enjoy - as I am currently a mercenary gamer taking on battle wherever I can find it.... It seems like Astartes/Imperial crusade, CSM and traitor elements and Dark ELdar, with im sure plenty of other factions to flesh out allied detachments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Looks to be a 40k equivalent to "Blood in the Badlands", which was... ok. Didn't really see anything in the way of new model releases, and I'm not expecting any here (they likely would have been announced alongside the new book). Likewise, didn't see any rules for new units, let alone new units that could be used in the main game independent of the campaign, so this isn't going to shore up any problems anyone might have with the book. The BitB campaign was a bit sloppy - there were a lot of places that called on, shall we say, "improvisation". Games also tended to be rather large, with rules that leaned towards 2k+ starting sizes, with campaign rules typically adding 500 points or more to each side. The result was a campaign where individual games took basically all day, and trying to keep a group properly organized and playing such time consuming games on a weekly basis was very difficult. I don't regret getting the book, but I also haven't seen a campaign all the way to completion despite trying twice, and after trying twice I'm having a hard time finding people willing to give it a go again. I'll probably pick this book up, but... maybe not. I certainly won't pre-order it. I had more or less the same experience. The scenarios were meant to be played at about 2000 points and the armies could get bigger. A lot bigger. I think I'm going to wait and "borrow this from a friend" later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 One thing just hit me, this looks to be a hard cover book that is equal in size to the new C:CSM. But the Campaign book is only US$41.00 while the Codex is US$50.00. What the flip GW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 One thing just hit me, this looks to be a hard cover book that is equal in size to the new C:CSM. But the Campaign book is only US$41.00 while the Codex is US$50.00. What the flip GW? It's not an essential product for the game, whereas a codex is. Thus they up the price on a codex because most people will buy it anyway, whilst a campaign book is less desirable and needed less. Thus they make the price lower to encourage more people to buy it. It's also not a huge price difference either, so people will think, ah GW has seen the light and it's cheaper. The books probably only worth about 15 quid in the uk, I bet most of it would be stuff they'd show in WD anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I had more or less the same experience. The scenarios were meant to be played at about 2000 points and the armies could get bigger. A lot bigger.I think I'm going to wait and "borrow this from a friend" later on. It would have been far better if they had come up with bonuses that didn't just boil down to "have more points". If you try and aim for smaller games, the points added by the campaign rules are way too unbalanced (as are the storm of magic games the campaign regularly calls for), and if you play larger games then they result in 3+ plus point games (or even 4k+ point games, if you're playing storm of magic) that just take too long for regular weekly gaming. You can use the BitB campaign as inspiration for your own, home brewing things where necessary, but then did you really need a $40 book to tell you how? Like I said, I don't regret getting it, but I wouldn't exactly recommend it, either. Anyway, hopefully the crusade of fire campaign doesn't push larger games so hard, and doesn't rely so heavily on 'bonus points' as a regular campaign gimmick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I had more or less the same experience. The scenarios were meant to be played at about 2000 points and the armies could get bigger. A lot bigger.I think I'm going to wait and "borrow this from a friend" later on. It would have been far better if they had come up with bonuses that didn't just boil down to "have more points". If you try and aim for smaller games, the points added by the campaign rules are way too unbalanced (as are the storm of magic games the campaign regularly calls for), and if you play larger games than they result in 3+ plus point games (or even 4k+ point games, if you're playing storm of magic) that just take too long for regular weekly gaming. Yeah the bonus magic iteams also resulted in ridiciolous situations. In the campaign we are currently "playing" (we actually decided to take a break from the campaign because it got too exhausting. I don't think we will get back to it) I had a super (+3A 2+ armour 2+ ward) equiped hero for roughly 130 points. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 For my gaming group, a campaign needs to default to smaller games (1k to 1500ish), with larger games only every 4 to 6 weeks, or yeah, players get exhausted. If I do blood in the badlands again, I'll be aiming for smaller usual games, halving or even quartering bonus points, and making storm of magic a particular event, rather than something that can happen whenever based on a castle floating around. But, again, that's a lot of improvising for a campaign I was hoping to run out of the book. If Crusade of Fire can manage to scale to different game sizes without having to be re-worked so much, I'll be much happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinners Red Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 GW just released another blog post about Crusade of Fire (find ithere). Pretty much the post just says wait and spend more money on the next issue of White Dwarf for more information. I, for one, am interested in the low gravity rules. I think it would be kinda cool, especially if you could figure out away for a section the battlefield be the hull of a ship and another be the interior. Also the Arena of Death (which I suppose would be Commorragh) seems interesting. Never done a campaign before. I look forward to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I'm wondering if those edge paints are going to be made available individually. I like my current upper highlights, but I've been experimenting a lot lately, and wouldn't mind a couple more options to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingDeath Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The edge paints are unimpressive ( it's not as if brighter colours of a good quality aren't widely available ) and good brushes can be bought from somewhere else. 9 colours ( although i have to admit that i consider citadel colours to be somewhat overpricedand ) and a single brush aren't worth 46 Euros. What i can see of the tutorial book is somewhat underwhelming as well ( edge highlights have their place but the approach shown here is quite heavy handed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 For a minute there, I thought I read the pink one as "Fulgrim Pork". Then I rubbed the last of the slip from my eyes and realized the angle makes the last word hard to read, but I imagine it's pink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 9 colours ( although i have to admit that i consider citadel colours to be somewhat overpricedand ) and a single brush aren't worth 46 Euros. Agreed, hence my curiosity regarding the possibility of future individual packaging. As for the new GW paints in general - probably not worth their price, but I don't paint in sufficient volume to notice any significant savings by switching brands. And while there are brands I like better or worse, it tends to vary color by color (I use GW and P3 mostly, but also use some Vallejo and other stuff, all on a color by color basis). I had been moving away from GW before their foundation and wash lines, which I found to be particularly nice. With the new paint line, I find I'm moving away again (bases > foundations; shades > washes), but some of the new pinks and purples are nice, and I like the glazes. Anyway, I'm pretty happy with Slaaneshi grey as a top highlight for the black hard armor and muted purple soft armor on my Black Legion models, but that pale purple peeking up past the pink might yet find a place in my paint scheme, provided I can purchase pots of just that paint in particular. Alliteration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I kin of like the blue horror. Might be decent for lightning..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 For a minute there, I thought I read the pink one as "Fulgrim Pork". That. Sounds. Horrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 For a minute there, I thought I read the pink one as "Fulgrim Pork". That. Sounds. Horrifying. Slaaneshi Sausage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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