Grimdarkness Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Commander Sahaal Acerbus Throw there names in the hat for the night lords heck talos as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3248510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Lucius - Emperor's Children of the known characters yes but he is only a line Captain, what about one of the Pheonix Guard?Sigismund - Imperial Fists Agreed Amit - Blood Angels Disagree, Askellezon or Raldoron strike me as more likely Corswain - Dark Angels Agreed Sevatar - Night Lords. Agreed To that list I think we can add Khârn - World Eaters Abaddon - Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3248539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Lucius - Emperor's Children of the known characters yes but he is only a line Captain, what about one of the Pheonix Guard?Sigismund - Imperial Fists Agreed Amit - Blood Angels Disagree, Askellezon or Raldoron strike me as more likely Corswain - Dark Angels Agreed Sevatar - Night Lords. Agreed To that list I think we can add Khârn - World Eaters Abaddon - Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus Well Lucius is considered the best swordsmen and duellist in the legion, he's also not an important part of the command structure so his loss wouldn't be to much, and I think he personified what the Emperor's Children stood for, he also slaughtered three Phoenix Guard when he tried to get into the theatre. I was going by what the op said a couple of pages back, Amit was mentioned by Khârn when he was considering who could best him, along with him was Sigismund as well. Azkaellon would never be allowed to be a champion or representative at the fictional legion feast of blades, neither would Raldoron who I wouldn't consider the best out of the Blood Angels either, Amit on the other hand is feared, probably as much as Khârn is. There's first captains chosen for their martial prowess and then there's those who are chosen because they are great leaders and strategists, I guess it's an issue to trying to separate the two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3248573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watch Commander Danek Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Just another example of writers (and by "writers" I mean Thorpe) not doing their homework. They really just need to stop giving him work. That won't happen nor should it. The man layered the entirety of the Eldar race and Angels of Darkness was the first proper gritty DA novel written - one that did the job that franchise fiction must do. Setting questions for the readers to ponder without concrete answers. He's a veteran that deserves more respect quite honestly. It's not his fault GW doesn't assign someone the task of wrangling all their fiction writers to keep them on the same page and not stepping on each others toes. Nor is he negligent as a franchise writer (Goto) or determined to leave his mark without considering consequences (Ward, Abnett). In regards to the topic at hand, Night Lords wouldn't have a Champion per se (Outside my character but I doubt he counts lol). It's mainly comprised of murderers and predators who have no grasp of honor nor care about a fair fight. Sevatar is a skilled warrior but even he prefers easy prey, which goes against the definition of a Champion here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3248751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Unless we're referring to a 'Champion' not as something with a single definition across Legion lines but one who champions their own Legion. Sevatar could count as a Champion of the Night Lords, for he definitely champions the Night Lord ideals. He would be no champion in comparison to Sigismund or Lucius, but definitely one for his Legion. However, as stated, the ideals of the Night Lords favor the strong picking on the weak. They have no martial pride in the same way as others do and would have no interest facing equals among the other Legions. Sevatar least of all, as he champions those ideals. By their very virtues, they'd likely be excluded from any Feast of Blades event. Self-exclusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3249006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I was going by what the op said a couple of pages back, Amit was mentioned by Khârn when he was considering who could best him, along with him was Sigismund as well. Azkaellon would never be allowed to be a champion or representative at the fictional legion feast of blades, neither would Raldoron who I wouldn't consider the best out of the Blood Angels either, Amit on the other hand is feared, probably as much as Khârn is. Khârn was actually considering the loyalists whom he felt akin due to their similar nature but he didn't say they were his equals, merely that he would be sorry when he slew them. I'm not denying Amit being a top fighter though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3249195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I was going by what the op said a couple of pages back, Amit was mentioned by Khârn when he was considering who could best him, along with him was Sigismund as well. Azkaellon would never be allowed to be a champion or representative at the fictional legion feast of blades, neither would Raldoron who I wouldn't consider the best out of the Blood Angels either, Amit on the other hand is feared, probably as much as Khârn is. Khârn was actually considering the loyalists whom he felt akin due to their similar nature but he didn't say they were his equals, merely that he would be sorry when he slew them. I'm not denying Amit being a top fighter though. In what book did he say that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3249400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 In what book did he say that? Butcher's Nails, audio book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3249477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 In what book did he say that? Butcher's Nails, audio book. Would explain why I couldn't remember it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3249561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 He would be no champion in comparison to Sigismund or Lucius, but definitely one for his Legion.Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your bias) no...ADB has made him an equal of Sigismund, fighting him to a draw in the sparring cage Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3249812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 He would be no champion in comparison to Sigismund or Lucius, but definitely one for his Legion.Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your bias) no...ADB has made him an equal of Sigismund, fighting him to a draw in the sparring cage He probably meant that Sevatar doesn't really exhibit Championlike behaviour other than martial valor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3249943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 He would be no champion in comparison to Sigismund or Lucius, but definitely one for his Legion.Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your bias) no...ADB has made him an equal of Sigismund, fighting him to a draw in the sparring cage He probably meant that Sevatar doesn't really exhibit Championlike behaviour other than martial valor. Which is exactly why I say he'd laugh at the concept of being named a 'champion' of anything. After thirty hours of fighting Sigismund to a draw in 'honorable' combat, Sevatar got bored enough to headbutt him and disqualify himself. Contrast him with Lucius who pole-vaulted onto the honor high horse when Loken punched him in the face during an 'honorable' duel, and Lucius apparently regarded Sigismund as someone he could beat (whether that's the case or not I guess we'll never know, as I don't think they ever meet on the field, sparring or otherwise). For all his loony bin mindset, Lucius exemplifies qualities of a champion in ways Sevatar would never bother with and, arguably, would scoff at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3249998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Lucius got beat by a Raven Guard that wasn't very prominent, I wouldn't take his opinions as fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3250158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Lucius got beat by a Raven Guard that wasn't very prominent, I wouldn't take his opinions as fact. Out of curiosity, how do we know that the Raven Guard who killed him isn't prominent? Because no one outside of the Legion knew his name unless they asked or had fought alongside/against him? Is it his rank that makes prominence? Do we even know what Sharrowkyn's rank is? More importantly, does prominence actually equal skill? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3250165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Right now, I share your thoughts about rank doesn't mean prominence. I was going off that in the list of people in the books, he was merely mentioned as Brother Sharrowkyn and the fact that the Iron Hands wished to maintain a command structure but they still referred to him as simply brother. There was something unique about him though, the fact he had twin black blades kind of marks him out as some what different to a traditional marine. He wasn't mentioned in any of the other RG based stories as well, since all the senior commanders were kind of accounted for and no one mentioned his loss, but that could be put down to different authors. So I dunno, he seems like a normal marine but has traits of someone whose a lot more promient. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266001-champions-of-the-legions/page/3/#findComment-3250217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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