Emperor's Furor Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 So whose thought of doing an army for the lost legions? It would be brave for someone to do so, but since there is a standard legion army list, it's entirely possible. I'd imagine the armour used would be nothing but the early marks, possibly Mk III. The weaponry used could be Volkite in origins and in greater numbers, with some plasma thrown in. I don't think Terminator armour would be available though, and some of the more modern weaponry like the Kheres assault cannon. Going strictly by fluff, would they have developed their own colour scheme by then? According to betrayal all legions started off with the same colour but as they progressed they developed more deviations and individualities that set them apart from the other legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 So whose thought of doing an army for the lost legions? It would be brave for someone to do so, but since there is a standard legion army list, it's entirely possible. I'd imagine the armour used would be nothing but the early marks, possibly Mk III. The weaponry used could be Volkite in origins and in greater numbers, with some plasma thrown in. I don't think Terminator armour would be available though, and some of the more modern weaponry like the Kheres assault cannon. Going strictly by fluff, would they have developed their own colour scheme by then? According to betrayal all legions started off with the same colour but as they progressed they developed more deviations and individualities that set them apart from the other legions. Your guess is as good as ours. There is literally nothing written about them, so we have no clue as to their colour scheme, name, home-world, equipment, or anything like that. There isn't really any point to asking about them, as the most that can be said with certainty is that they existed, did something bad, and vanished before Corax was found. Other than that, it's entirely up to you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I think a pre-primarch 2nd/11th Legion is completely plausible, but, whats the point? The attraction of the lost legions is their Primarch and their history. if you take all of that mystery out of the picture you'll just be painting numbered, plain marines. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a jerk, if it were me, I'd need the inspiration from the fluff, which there is precious little here. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 So whose thought of doing an army for the lost legions? It would be brave for someone to do so, but since there is a standard legion army list, it's entirely possible. I'd imagine the armour used would be nothing but the early marks, possibly Mk III. The weaponry used could be Volkite in origins and in greater numbers, with some plasma thrown in. I don't think Terminator armour would be available though, and some of the more modern weaponry like the Kheres assault cannon. Going strictly by fluff, would they have developed their own colour scheme by then? According to betrayal all legions started off with the same colour but as they progressed they developed more deviations and individualities that set them apart from the other legions. Your guess is as good as ours. There is literally nothing written about them, so we have no clue as to their colour scheme, name, home-world, equipment, or anything like that. There isn't really any point to asking about them, as the most that can be said with certainty is that they existed, did something bad, and vanished before Corax was found. Other than that, it's entirely up to you. Yeah I know, there's no official fluff on them, but has anyone thought of doing their own player made fluff lost legion using the new rules and models? It would be expensive to base a legion entirely on something self made but equally it could be quite cool to look at a legion that's not be covered before, kind of like doing a self made chapter for 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I'd say they would have to be entirely in MK I or II. I'm really hoping FW does MKI sometime, I'd use it for scouts ect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 I read Thunder Armour was never issued to the new marine legions, and those they did have where only used for ceremonial use (Brotherhood of the Storm) Could you make a legion set fairly in the crusade be competitive while also themed though, I suppose you could offset any competitiveness by introduce the "rogue" element that lead to the legion being wiped from records. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Just don't say they went off and aligned themselves with the Eldar in a different galaxy. That's been done to death on fan fiction forums everywhere and it pisses me off. No doofus of a Primarch would ever do that, I mean, come on, seriously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 Yeah. I'd probably go for something simple, such as massive genocide of humanity through various methods, that way at least it can't be to controversial. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.J. Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 You could technically use other Marks except for Mk I or Mk II. The chaos legions are known to raid and Storm of Iron has the Iron Warriors steal a whole store of geneseed, for example. Hence, you could theoretically have one of the lost legions get new armor and weapons via similar means (and given their damnatio memoriae whoever they raided would likely not know who they were, anyway. Nor could they really find out after the fact since that's what happens when you erase all records of something). Just a thought! For fluff, I've always disliked the idea that they turned to chaos. That obviously happened to 9 other legions whose records still exist so why should these (or one of them) be any different? I've thought the notion about what would happen if a primarch didn't want to go on The Great Crusade to be kind of interesting. I.e. Emperor finds primarch, primarch gets command of his legion, goes off on The Great Crusade, and then questions its purpose. Goes to Big E, says he's not game to impose an oppressive regime across the galaxy, gets disowned, and then takes his legion and bails (maybe the Wolves even skirmish with them as they head out or something). The legion then exists out there somewhere as a subversive entity that seeks to unlock the Imperium's hold on various worlds. Secretive, splintered, or whatever (with a suitable story as to why their primarch is not currently around). Or they get hammered into smithereens and only a few select warbands survive. Anywho, something other than chaos, mutation, and destruction, which seems to be the explanations du jour. There are a lot of interesting angles that can be imagined that doesn't require chaos, fraternizing with xenos, or getting pummeled by a ginger primarch and his troupe des loups. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 The idea is less of a list where they've already been excommunicated, but what they where like during the crusade, so really early on, using the really early technology from the list. So it doesn't matter how they where excommunicated, however you can see "hints" in the way they are composed/equipped such as massive amounts of phopshex bombs or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 An all-clad force in bare ceramite color MkII and III force, with just the the "II" or "XI" number on the shoulders, following the Oficio Militia panoply would be both cryptic and awesome :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 Is ceramite grey or kind of whitish? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Is ceramite grey or kind of whitish? In fact kind of a light grey. what people are interpreting as "white" in the FW books in fact is light grey, baybe with a light beige tint, depending on your interpretation - only the ECs and WEs have real white being used. DG and LW used bare ceramite armour, and the LW are the best match for a pre-primarch legion, minus the legion symbol. I would go for that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3241984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 Just read the section called "The grey legions" in Betrayal, apparently they where all storm cloud grey and only bore the thunderbolt and lightning symbols of the unification era. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3242085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I dunno. Seems like you risk straying dangerously close to Super Special Snowflake territory when you start trying to model the 2nd and 11th. Part of what makes them cool is that they don't exist. Once you remove that mystery, well, they aren't cool anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266059-thought-of-doing-a-lost-legion/#findComment-3244039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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