amaze07 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Finished Angel Exterminatus the other day,Really liked it,thought that sharrowkyn and co. were the best in the story, would love to see them back again, maybe as some sort of space marine kill team would be cool!! (Ps loved seeing Lucius getting slapped around the place!!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 They both appear in Kyptos, so it's possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3242695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Kryptos is set before Angel Exterminatus, I think it's mentioned in AE that they previously kidnapped a dark mechanicus code breaker. They'll be back ... Sharrowkyn was bad ass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3242877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I should of put "They both appeared in Kyptos to, so it's possible" :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3242898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammonius Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Didn't Sharrowkyn kill Lucius? If so that might put a damper on future appearances. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3242910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Didn't Sharrowkyn kill Lucius? If so that might put a damper on future appearances. Lucius was alive at the end of the book resurrected by Slaanesh. Besides Sharrowkyn didn't feel any joy killing him. He's safe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3242944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogmagog Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Nykona Sharrowkyn is one of the best characters in any Black Library novel, I so love his attitude. Id love to see him go head to head with the traitor Raven Guard in the Night Lords legion and pwn him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3242984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Sharrowkyn better go out in a blaze of glory. And not against Lucius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3243321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Oh gosh I hope not. They bugged the living hell out of me. Untouchable. Super stealthy and super killy. Blowing up Land Raiders left and ride while running for their lives. Not to mention "wraithshifting" uber-ninja Raven Guard powers. :huh: Sorry if this comes across as to negative but I really think these are some of the worst characters in 40k history. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3243783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 From a legion whose Primarch can go invisible..I don't find wraithshifting at all stupid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3243797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaze07 Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 Being honest I think it's a Breath of fresh air to have some loyalist's beating Traitors,sometimes it can be a bit stagnant when all we hear are traitors getting what they want,it's good to have some of the Isstvan battered legions fighting back! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3244247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 From a legion whose Primarch can go invisible..I don't find wraithshifting at all stupid. I actually always liked the Raven Guard. Up until they came up with the idea that they can literally go invibile/meld with the shadows. Which is indeed stupid. (To be fair maybe this idea was around before the HH books and I just never realized it. But I always thought they were experts of mundane stealth operations like laying ambushes. And even that does not fit very well with the concept of a 2,5 meter tall heavily armored Astartes IMO.) Being honest I think it's a Breath of fresh air to have some loyalist's beating Traitors,sometimes it can be a bit stagnant when all we hear are traitors getting what they want,it's good to have some of the Isstvan battered legions fighting back! Totally agreeing with you here. It is a civil war after all not a slaughterfest. Although there have already been lots of books where Horus' forces lose so it is nothing new. Also what annoyed me was not that they can defeat the IWs and ECs but the way in which they do it. See also here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3244268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It's a psychic power though, in the case of Corax he encloses himself in a psychic cloak, what's to say with training some of the best of the legion can do something similar which when combined with actually using cover and the shadows can practically become invisible, not saying this is what they do, but it would be cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3244311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarkassBC Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It's a psychic power though, in the case of Corax he encloses himself in a psychic cloak, what's to say with training some of the best of the legion can do something similar which when combined with actually using cover and the shadows can practically become invisible, not saying this is what they do, but it would be cool. The psychic power of Corax made him "unseen" by the minds of the other men. They simply give another reason or forget his presence. But that power don't work against automatic machines or long distant surveillance systems. The powers for the normal astartes could be technological like a better form of chameleonine/tau stealth suit/alpha legion operative suit or the use of a psychic power. Also, on the technological side, even some of the Raven Guards ships have a Star Trek "cloaking device" on them. So the technological enhancement is the most possible scenario even in the light that the psykers were outlawed after Nikaea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3244376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Yeah, maybe. I was thinking the "psychic" stealth was more of a natural passive emphatic ability natural to the Raven Guard geneseed than an active power they'd use though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3244380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Kryptos is set before Angel Exterminatus, I think it's mentioned in AE that they previously kidnapped a dark mechanicus code breaker. They'll be back ... Sharrowkyn was bad ass. Absolutely. Loved Sharrowkyn. I was worried he was going to be the first victim of defeating Lucius From a legion whose Primarch can go invisible..I don't find wraithshifting at all stupid. I actually always liked the Raven Guard. Up until they came up with the idea that they can literally go invibile/meld with the shadows. Which is indeed stupid. (To be fair maybe this idea was around before the HH books and I just never realized it. But I always thought they were experts of mundane stealth operations like laying ambushes. And even that does not fit very well with the concept of a 2,5 meter tall heavily armored Astartes IMO.) Being honest I think it's a Breath of fresh air to have some loyalist's beating Traitors,sometimes it can be a bit stagnant when all we hear are traitors getting what they want,it's good to have some of the Isstvan battered legions fighting back! Totally agreeing with you here. It is a civil war after all not a slaughterfest. Although there have already been lots of books where Horus' forces lose so it is nothing new. Also what annoyed me was not that they can defeat the IWs and ECs but the way in which they do it. See also here. As stated this is a psychic trick. Although this is the first I've heard of a non Corax ravenguard using the power. With all the other stuff going on in this universie this is small potatoes to me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3244585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Alanticus Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 But remember that no one knows who the raven guard chapter master is and I hope sharrowkin is! Suck on it Lucius you got beaten by loken and sharrowkin Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3538602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I read Angel Exterminatus, and while my memory of details isn't the best ever, I feel confident is saying that wraithshifting is not a psyker power. It's given a weird name, but it was shown as nothing more than exceptional stealth skills. He didn't "disappear," like Corax seems able to. He just hid. The Salamander revealed that to be the case in his ability to see Sharrowkyn. Sharrowkyn was doing nothing more than hiding in darkness and staying quiet, but apparently Salamanders can see through darkness (heat vision is what it sounded like they were trying to say the Salamanders have) and as such wasn't hiding very well. That's all it was. Not Sharrowkyn wraithshifting and just walking around with people being unable to see him (or register that they are seeing him). He just goes Batman on a bunch of Detective Gordons. They turn their heads and he sneaks away. I'm not sure why they decided to label it. It sounded like these were just an informal collection of those of exceeding skill in stealth, much like the Palatine Blades among the Emperor's Children. Just in a weird way, like they were trying to make it sound like a martial art. What did you just do? That? Oh, I did a Spitting Cobra. Is that a psychic power? . . . No, it was a punch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3538686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthak Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Haven't read Corax: Soulforge, but I recall reading somewhere that they explain Sharrowkyn's abilities in that novella. Is that correct? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3538711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Shadowfast. IIRC, it was also used in the Gilead WHF stories to show a movement so fast that it was like a moving shadow. It was also used to describe a severe level of stealth. Like Batman and League of Assassins level stealth. Sharrowkyn is described as shadowfast in Angel Exterminatus, not wraithshifting. I can't speak for Kryptos though so it is possible that Graham McNeill used a different word for the first story and then switched to shadowfast because wraithshifting was being misunderstood. Or it just might be an inconsistency. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3538808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 This is a thing now? With a name? A 7 foot tall, 400+ pound, power armoured, jet pack wearing, Astartes, is now a stealth ninja style thing? I'm pretty sure I hated that part.....yes, thats right, I did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3538931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 This is a thing now? With a name? A 7 foot tall, 400+ pound, power armoured, jet pack wearing, Astartes, is now a stealth ninja style thing? I'm pretty sure I hated that part.....yes, thats right, I did. Whatever. VIII Legion's second First Captain can do all that without needing prancy fancy dan psychic powers, he's just that good. It's just one more stack of evidence on the pile that proves the sons of Corax are just Diet Night Lords Zero. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3538941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 This is a thing now? With a name? A 7 foot tall, 400+ pound, power armoured, jet pack wearing, Astartes, is now a stealth ninja style thing? I'm pretty sure I hated that part.....yes, thats right, I did. Whatever. VIII Legion's second First Captain can do all that without needing prancy fancy dan psychic powers, he's just that good. It's just one more stack of evidence on the pile that proves the sons of Corax are just Diet Night Lords Zero. I would sig this if I knew how Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3538950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Whatever. VIII Legion's second First Captain can do all that without needing prancy fancy dan psychic powers, he's just that good. It's just one more stack of evidence on the pile that proves the sons of Corax are just Diet Night Lords Zero. If only we hadn't already proven Warp Lightning can't pass through internet tubes . . . Also, I wish A D-B would write some Raven Guard. :( Main drawback for being into the Loyalists: Not enough A D-B. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3539023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Whatever. VIII Legion's second First Captain can do all that without needing prancy fancy dan psychic powers, he's just that good. It's just one more stack of evidence on the pile that proves the sons of Corax are just Diet Night Lords Zero. If only we hadn't already proven Warp Lightning can't pass through internet tubes . . . Also, I wish A D-B would write some Raven Guard. :( Main drawback for being into the Loyalists: Not enough A D-B. Sevatar's pal Alastor Rushal. Wish granted! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266221-nykona-sharrowkyn-others/#findComment-3539026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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