angry man Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 just a quick query. i played a game today, during which my vendetta faced the option to either do nothing for a turn, or hover and pivot to find a valid target. since my opponent didnt have much left to threaten a vehicle of any description, i opted for the hover. one thing he did have left though, was a zooming stormtalon -- so basically, is a hovering flyer capable of firing at a zooming flyer with its full ballistic skill?? im not with my BRB at the moment, so am not in a position to post BRB quotes, but will make an effort to post up bits i think are relevant later on (i think its all within the 'Flyers section). any input would be appreciated AM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fury Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 is a hovering flyer capable of firing at a zooming flyer with its full ballistic skill?? In short, yes. page 81, special rules. You can choose to use, or not use, the USR Skyfire at the beginning of each shooting phase. Zooming or Hovering doesn't matter, just need to be a flyer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3244140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy12009 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Page 6 of the brb FAQ says no. The way I figure it is that it does say words to the effect of when you choose to switch to hover mode, it counts as a fast skimmer in all respects. This appearantly counts for the flyer special rules as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3244203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fury Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 What the hell??? The FAQ completely contradicts the rules written in the book! AND its a FAQ not an Errata, but GW doesn't know the difference anyhow. Well the rulebook says yes but the 6th page of the FAQ does say NO 0.o GW....facepalm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3244230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry man Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share Posted November 22, 2012 i really ought to start checking the FAQ! that spells it out nice and clear. cheers AM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3244231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 What the hell??? The FAQ completely contradicts the rules written in the book! AND its a FAQ not an Errata, but GW doesn't know the difference anyhow. Well the rulebook says yes but the 6th page of the FAQ does say NO 0.o GW....facepalm Red Fury - i thought that too, but on page 81, the box in the bottom right says: "If a flyer is treated hovering, it is treated as a Fast Skimmer" So, for me, a non-zooming flyer = a skimmer. (silly as it may be) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3244254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 What the hell??? The FAQ completely contradicts the rules written in the book! AND its a FAQ not an Errata, but GW doesn't know the difference anyhow. Well the rulebook says yes but the 6th page of the FAQ does say NO 0.o GW....facepalm Red Fury - i thought that too, but on page 81, the box in the bottom right says: "If a flyer is treated hovering, it is treated as a Fast Skimmer" So, for me, a non-zooming flyer = a skimmer. (silly as it may be) I'm not sure it actually makes any difference though as the Skyfire rule says: A model with this special rule, or that is firing a weapon with this special rule, fires using its normal Ballistic Skill when shooting at Flyers, Flying MonstrousCreatures and Skimmers. EDIT - Not sure this is actually relevant as I misread the query but will leave it here just in case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3244256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Krieg Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It's the "Skimmer" shooting, not being shot at :D Example: My Heldrake, with cannons, is a Flyer and is Zooming. It can fire at any other Flyer at full BS, because it automatically has Skyfire. But when I switch to Hover mode, it stops being a Flyer and becomes a Fast Skimmer. As such, it does not have the automatic Skyfire and hits Zooming flyers and Swooping FMCs on "6". If I'm in Hover-Fast Skimmer mode though and another Flyer goes Hover or a FMC goes Gliding instead, we hit each other on full BS, as normal. Neither of us is a Flyer, so neither needs Skyfire. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3244259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Willy Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 It's more because normal skyfire can't actually shoot at ground targets without interceptor, being able to chose stops you from crippling the flyers when shooting ground units. Hence the use of the words chose to use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3244298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fury Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 "If a flyer is hovering, it is treated exactly as a Fast Skimmer" So, for me, a non-zooming flyer = a skimmer. (silly as it may be) But when I switch to Hover mode, it stops being a Flyer and becomes a Fast Skimmer So when is a flyer not a flyer? When it is hovering. It's a fast skimmer and skimmers don't have skyfire. Got it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3245261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angry man Posted November 23, 2012 Author Share Posted November 23, 2012 "If a flyer is hovering, it is treated exactly as a Fast Skimmer" So, for me, a non-zooming flyer = a skimmer. (silly as it may be) But when I switch to Hover mode, it stops being a Flyer and becomes a Fast Skimmer So when is a flyer not a flyer? When it is hovering. It's a fast skimmer and skimmers don't have skyfire. Got it. ironically, skimmers are also unable to turn themselves into flyers and 'zoom'... AM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3245302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 One thing I've been thinking about is that since hovering turns you into a fast skimmer, I suppose that also means that you can Jink without having to fire snapshots, after all "normal" fast skimmers such as Land Speeders can as well? Not that that'd really offset being so easily hit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3246723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Of course you always get a Jink save as a Fast Skimmer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266312-hovering-flyers-flyers/#findComment-3246804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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