Ifrit446 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Hello brothers of Chaos, You all know me around here and I've come to you guys with somewhat of a dilemma as of late...I can't quite choose between two Legions for my Chaos Marines and my Dark Angels "Count-As". My current choice is between my two all-time favorite Legions: The VIII Legion of Night Lords, and the XX Legion of the Alphas. Looking into my experiences with the two, the Alphas were my first army in 40k back with the 3.5 Dex...And HOLY HELL were they beautiful. I was a casual gamer and did things that looked cool and fun, and ninja marines that show up wherever sounded epic to me. Moving along to today, they are still a sweeeeeeet Legion and I enjoy their fluff/playing them in Space Marine Multiplayer but I have abit of trouble fielding them on the tabletop due to me seeing them as more of an elite killteam army , due to fluff, rather than a numerous army (Which is why I used Paladins previously to represent them). Now the Night Lords are a relatively new beast to me, and I've been on that train since Lord of the Night and Soul Hunter's release shortly after. On a sidenote, I've always been a vampire fan (not those gay sparkley ones) and the Night Lords are very reminiscent of vampires to me (which helps fan my love for them). I also have almost every piece of fluff on them and have converted Vampire Counts bits to my Chaos Marines for extra measure of being "Crazy, psychotic Night Lords-worthy". But I really enjoy their idealologies and everything that they do, from any standpoint in the Legion whther it's Talos, Krieger or my fan-favorite Sevatar B) Now my current plans are to build both a Chaos Marine army, full of character conversions and eccentricly-modelled/customized units as well as (PLEASE DON"T KILL ME!!) a Dark Angel army for the good fun of fielding all Termies again. So with the Night Lords I could make the Dark Angels be a small contingent of Atrementar replete with chains, spikes and wings galore (along with a modelled Sevatar to lead them, and maybe even a Konrad Curze as Belial based on his equipment). I could also however, model my Angels as an Alpha Legion kill-team being either in Termie armor or I can truescale them and have them as just super-badass marines in Power armor along with allied Imperial Guard for cultist Infiltrators ;) But now comes the dilemma between the two, I HAVE to choose. I can't have units from both mixed up because my OCD makes me want to tear out my hair when my army isn't matching :( So I come to you guys, my brothers in arms, to get some feedback. Which of the two would you guys go with based on the above wall-of-text??? Thanks for any commentary :lol: -Ifrit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman Wade Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Personaly, with new codex release I'm making a Black Legion army now, since fielding my night lords just doesn't feel right. I mean, I'm fighting orks, necrons and all the loyalist SM face-to-face and my champs are forced to issue challenges (yeah, my asp chams want nothing more than to challenge Draigo or some MCreatures), which, according to all existing fluff, isn't something that NL usually do. But AL look like they might actually do it - a full-scale combat against any enemy, if it fits their plans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3244944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Cyanide Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 OCD be damned! Do both! They look great on the table top together! I have a Night Lords army and am curently painting a bunch of Alpha Legion, and they look really sharp next to each other! The two color schemes really do compliment each other, and it would work out well in keeping the Alphas elite. Do Night Lords as your main force, plus a squad or two of specialists in Alpha colors. For a great example of how well the two forces work together check out Dan the Daemon's army project here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...=172506&hl= I have to take some pics tomorrow for my Call of Chaos update, so I'll take a pic of some of both together so you can see how well they go together! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3244946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinners Red Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 It wouldn't be a very big stretch to have Alpha Legion and Night Lords Cooperating (Provided the Night Lords Commander isn't too paranoid.) But if you have to pick, do something new! I like the idea of Night Lords counts as Dark Angels, the irony! And I mean both Legions are prone to have people wear silly (yet completely awesome) wings on their helms. Granted I don't know the Dark Angel fluff (well the stuff that doesn't deal with the Sons of Nostramo) well at all, you could say that these are Dark Angels of the Fallen joined with the Night Lords or something. I mean, I'm fighting orks, necrons and all the loyalist SM face-to-face and my champs are forced to issue challenges (yeah, my asp chams want nothing more than to challenge Draigo or some MCreatures), which, according to all existing fluff, isn't something that NL usually do. I don't know, while I very much enjoyed A-D-Bs Soul Hunter series, one thing to keep in mind that this is only one under strength warband. Also the War Sage killed three champs in one day on Terra! and Xarl rescued half the claw and fought with the Champ form the Genesis Chapter, also Uzas really really wanted to fight the warp corrupted Red Corsair. Also I've seen a few articles on BoLS that detail ways to ensure that the champion gets into combat, but does not have to issue a challenge. I would think that the Night Lords under Krieg Acerbus would be emboldened by being lead by a Dp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Provided the Night Lords Commander isn't too paranoid that is like asking for a sane WE lord. paranoid is a trait of the NL and that is says something , because technicly after some time in the warp everyone gets paranoid. the fact that NL are known for being paranoid only means they take it to a whole new level . personaly I would go with the AL one . it is easier to paint green , then actual living lightning on the armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Well, there would be no reason for an Alpha Legion warband to not employ a little extra "muscle power" from a Night Lords warband(after all, why have Alpha Legion casualties if you don't need to). They might get paid with slaves, equipment or something else. Paranoid or not, a Night Lord warband would need supplies as well, and an Alpha Legion network could supply them with many different things as a payment of their services... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinners Red Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Well, there would be no reason for an Alpha Legion warband to not employ a little extra "muscle power" from a Night Lords warband(after all, why have Alpha Legion casualties if you don't need to). They might get paid with slaves, equipment or something else. Paranoid or not, a Night Lord warband would need supplies as well, and an Alpha Legion network could supply them with many different things as a payment of their services... I think you and The Jeske both bring up valid points on that matter. But the A-D-B novel provide evidence that there are in fact a few Night Lord warband leaders that aren't completely distrustful. The Exalted working with Abaddon, (alongside another Night Lords captain) and with the Red Corsairs. Though both did end rather poorly... I think that it would interesting to see if the Night Lords could be manipulated into doing the Alpha Legions business. Why pay for the cow when you can get the pie for free? There is the issue of the lightning on Night Lords armor. Which brings me to the question has there been like an official stance on that? Is it like warp lightning, or is it painted on there by Night Lords? I've read examples for both. I mean you don't have to have the lightning, I think you could get away with it, though you may draw the ire of a purist. I mean some people don't use the winged bat crest on the helmets and lots of people feel like that is a major identifying mark of Night Lords as well as the lightning. Though terror markings seem universal (Skulls, bones, fingers, scalps, leather skin cloaks, etc) (side note: I initially wrote ABBAddon. Never gonna be able to take him seriously again. You are the dancing queen....) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Do both. Maybe have only one or two squads with the Alpha colors, perhaps Chosen to give them that unique "kill-team" feel and then either have a Count-As Huron or whenever you get Master of Deception. Or you can do the Terminator squad that way. I feel that since this Codex works around FA so well, a Night Lords list should be no problem to field since most people had them as a FA army to begin with. Should be no problem to mix in a few "insurgent"-type squads into that kind of list, or vice versa. For the lightning, GW(read as "the Gavdex")'s official stance is warp lightning. That is the first place that concept was introduced. Some of the fanbase is pro-warp lightning. Some are like me, iffy. Personally, I think it would be a great story factor for one or two extremely corrupted characters to have it. But as a "Legion-wide" mutation, it gives a sense of uniformity that isn't there. Then there are the fans who hate it and stick with the older(and newer if you count A-D-B's books) of the lightning being a terror marking that isn't even uniform across the Legion(Xarl, Uzas) but does make them stand out. EDIT: Hm, ABBAdon is a new one to me. I think calling him Yabbadabbadoodon use to be common around here though. :) EDIT #2: First, I need to read everyone's posts firsts before I post. On the note of Champions, I would actually say that is very Night Lord-y(or is -ish better?). Remember, these guys are murders first, last and always. Serial killers are murderers too and they are hunters, they target specific prey. It ain't exactly too far of a stretch to come up with a Night Lord who likes a challenge and spends the battle hunting for "Champions" in the opposing force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 ABBAdon Is he favored by the four gods? :) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mg7D3kYysfw/SIWeDVHsdhI/AAAAAAAAHCM/n5MVLwOYbf4/s400/abba1.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Well to be fair, Sinners should get credit for that as he posted it first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Oh, haha, small text, didn't notice that! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Mix them, using AL in smaller proportion. In my fluff, my AL cell have contacts and articulate joint actions of several other warbands - they have contact with my Fallen and DarkMech forces (that are the main part of the army). I represent them as the Chosen of my army, and some HQs. It's nice to break the look of the army, having the AL as elite units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan The Deamon Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Dooo Booootthhhh :wacko: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinners Red Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 That is impressive. Very impressive. Great work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I never do this, this is actually the first time I do this but: "+1" I can't help but to like any post or model by Dan The Deamon(despite the misspelling of Daemon, hihi)! Those lovely models got me motivated again with my Alpha Legion when I ended up in a slump a while ago, I raise my glass to you sir! :wacko: And for the love of the gods: MOAR! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Once again, we see the gloriousness of godhood that is Dan the Deamon. Praise does not do you justice. Although I imagine you're tired of hearing that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istvaan Shogaatsu Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Ah, an excuse for Night Lords picture spam! My huge-ass Chaos Lord! Recently completed bikers! Assorted shots of my terminators! Dreadnoughts! More Dreadnoughts! Tank! Army! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ifrit446 Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 Okay brothers, I really appreciate all of the feedback that Ive been getting, despite me not wanting to do a joint armt ;) But such is the nature of Chaos, and the change will most likely happen. Dan, that army is damn gorgeous...how have I never seen this before?? :D But we shall see how this joint concept goes, and I'll try and provide updates as I do it (but no promises). Also, what would you guys recommend doing for the Dark Angel Termie force?? Still a joint operation or should I split it up to a single Legion?? Thanks for everything so far, -Ifrit PS: sorry for spelling, this is on a cell phone Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Just to be a voice of dissent: go full Alpha Legion :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Just to be a voice of dissent: go full Alpha Legion ;) This. But tell anyone if that's what you decide! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3245805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Do both! Alpha Legion and Night Lords fragile alliance. And more! Add some Fallen Angels to the mix! I can see it now. Dark Triumvirate. Three lords, each from a different Legion, each with a small warband, too weak to survive on their own, they must work together, but each of them has his own hidden agenda.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3246066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ifrit446 Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Do both! Alpha Legion and Night Lords fragile alliance. And more! Add some Fallen Angels to the mix! I can see it now. Dark Triumvirate. Three lords, each from a different Legion, each with a small warband, too weak to survive on their own, they must work together, but each of them has his own hidden agenda.... Hey now, if I ever mixed warbands (which still isn't TOO likely) I would stop at two...THIS ISNT THE BLACK LEGION!! I DONT ACCEPT ANY VOLUNTEER, I STILL HAVE STANDARDS!!! :) But anyways, it seems like alot of you fellows are advocating for the double warband aspect which I'm looking further into now. I'm considering using Alpha Marines with sniper rifles to be Thousand Son wannabes, which also double as Recon Squads for the next Horus Heresy book (which HOPEFULLY features the Nights and Alphas ;) ). But yeah, I'm still not sure what else I would want to do besides model Chosen as Alphas and any sort of Raptor as a Night Lord *scratches head* Also, I'm still really unsure on what to do with the Dark Angel termie force when they come out. That would be abit more difficult to pull off since it's nothing but termies and Dreadnoughts. I'm still leaning towards the Night Lords Atrementar strike force but HEY, who knows!! :P Anyways, I am happy with the results so far. -Ifrit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3246755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Well, we can two this one of several ways. Keep only the Chosen as Alpha Legion, or only the Raptors as Night Lords, to show that the Legion is fractured and the Raptors themselves are now mercenary Cults. Or, we could divide the warband 50/50 and have the CC-oriented squads as Night Lords and the Long(er)-ranged squads as Alpha Legion. Or vice-versa to show the Night Lords paranoia at having anyone with a weapon standing behind them. And I am sure there are many other ways to do it other than how I am thinking without suggesting Dan the Deamon's layout. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3246760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Bikers and raptors as night lords, havocs and regular csm as alphas, with some cultists run around and getting killed... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3246791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda_ Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 When the codex was rumored and weeks after its release, I was in the same situation as you are. For basicly the same reasons... And I had a few metal figurines painted in NL. With the Call of Chaos, I choose to change to AL as I didn't like NL having Chaos Undivided icons (and many GW CSM figs bears the chaos star). Additionnaly, if you feel like using good units, bikers should be on your list... which suits NL so well. I'm close to regretting my choice as lightings are much easier to paint than Hydra's scales. I'm a poor painter... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266403-alphas-or-night-lords/#findComment-3246950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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