Lord Kallozar Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Hi all. This has probably been asked before but i was wanting to know how the flesh tearers orginise themselves? I know that they only have 4 companies (all battle companies) so where do the veterens and scouts and masters of the forge etc etc all fit in? - Also - How come the flesh tearers still use chainaxes? as far as i know they seem to be one of the only chapters to use chainaxes (apart from chaos legions). Is it ever explained as to why? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Wherever they are needed at any given time. There is no formal structure any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kallozar Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 So its possible to have scouts in the 1st company and vets in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Yes, there are no Reserve company and veteran companies as you find in a Codex Chapter. They are organised into 4 companies and resources are sent where needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 - Also - How come the flesh tearers still use chainaxes? as far as i know they seem to be one of the only chapters to use chainaxes (apart from chaos legions). Is it ever explained as to why? Cheers. In Butchers Nails it informs us that Amit was seconded to the World Eaters as an emissary of the BA Legion and was a champion in their Gladiatorial arenas. It is implied that he picked up the tradition there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I would guess at two possibilities. They have "gone wolf" and Vets, Marines and Scouts all exist in the same squad. There is a first company of vets, a second and third company of marines, and a fourth company of scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Or they just spread them out among four battle companies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicJ Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Not sure if thats to me? And if so, the specifics. By, "gone wolf" My understanding is that wolf vet squads can be split up amongst other squads. So a Vet puppy in Terminator armour can join a marine squad. Given the (presumably) short life span of a Flesh Tearer. that would seem reasonable And they could push it further, and not have "scouts", have Power Armoured "blood claws" and farm out marines and vets to them. Third option, they could be, in effect, four company strength chapters, each with a vet squad, 8 marine squads and a scout squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Not sure if thats to me?And if so, the specifics. By, "gone wolf" My understanding is that wolf vet squads can be split up amongst other squads. So a Vet puppy in Terminator armour can join a marine squad. Given the (presumably) short life span of a Flesh Tearer. that would seem reasonable And they could push it further, and not have "scouts", have Power Armoured "blood claws" and farm out marines and vets to them. Third option, they could be, in effect, four company strength chapters, each with a vet squad, 8 marine squads and a scout squad. Or they could have four battle companies, with 6 tactical squads, 2 devastator squads, 2 assault squads, as many attached scouts as needed, and as many veterans as needed. Just because there is no "Veteran" company doesn't mean that they veterans aren't still fluid and can be attached to the other companies as squads. Same with scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 According to the Index Astartes article all four companies are battle companies, with each company forming its own veteran squads from its most experienced brethren. Annoyingly scouts were not mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kallozar Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 Thanks for all the replies so far. In Butchers Nails it informs us that Amit was seconded to the World Eaters as an emissary of the BA Legion and was a champion in their Gladiatorial arenas. It is implied that he picked up the tradition there. Im very intrigued about this piece of info. Could someone PM me with the details of how and why Amit was with the World Eaters and in the Gladitorial pits? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 It's not a spoiler so I can tell you that in the audio drama it mentions various Marines from other Legions who were seconded to the World Eaters Legion on Angron's battle barge and that impressed in the Gladiatorial bouts they held. Several other well known names are mentioned too. Butcher's Nails is well worth checking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus the Destroyer Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Our companies are not organised as standard battle companies. Every Flesh Tearer is thoroughly trained and experienced in serving whatever squad type is required by an engagement due to lack of sufficient numbers to form standing squads and companies. As such, you can speculate that a commander, if he saw fit, can field them all as Assault, or Devastator or tactical marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kallozar Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 Cheers once again for the replies. Im guessing then that the flesh tearers do not follow the blood angels markings for example blue helmets for devastator, yellow helmets for assault marines etc if they are trained to perform all tasks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminatorAM Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Im guessing then that the flesh tearers do not follow the blood angels markings for example blue helmets for devastator, yellow helmets for assault marines etc if they are trained to perform all tasks. Nope, they all have black helmets from everything I've seen (it looks better anyways). If you're looking for more inspiration on the feel of the chapter, take a look at "Beneath the Flesh" on black library by Andy Smillie (note: not a BA related book by Swallow ^_^ ). It's a short story you can get for a few bucks as an ebook and it really gets into the deep blood lust and rage of the chapter which is much stronger than the Blood Angels themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kallozar Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 Im guessing then that the flesh tearers do not follow the blood angels markings for example blue helmets for devastator, yellow helmets for assault marines etc if they are trained to perform all tasks. Nope, they all have black helmets from everything I've seen (it looks better anyways). If you're looking for more inspiration on the feel of the chapter, take a look at "Beneath the Flesh" on black library by Andy Smillie (note: not a BA related book by Swallow ;) ). It's a short story you can get for a few bucks as an ebook and it really gets into the deep blood lust and rage of the chapter which is much stronger than the Blood Angels themselves Thats cool, Im finding out info on behalf of my bro so i will let him know about Beneath the Flesh. So helmet colours are all the same which is good, i agree it looks better than having multicoloured helmets. But what of the honour guard? As a pure elite personal chosen set of warriors i can imagine they would still wear gold helmets as their roles wouldnt change within the Chapter?? Finally do the flesh tearers have sanguinary guard or is that just a blood angel thing? Somehow the sanguinary guard judt dont seem to be fleah tearer-y if you see what i mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Im guessing then that the flesh tearers do not follow the blood angels markings for example blue helmets for devastator, yellow helmets for assault marines etc if they are trained to perform all tasks. Nope, they all have black helmets from everything I've seen (it looks better anyways). If you're looking for more inspiration on the feel of the chapter, take a look at "Beneath the Flesh" on black library by Andy Smillie (note: not a BA related book by Swallow :) ). It's a short story you can get for a few bucks as an ebook and it really gets into the deep blood lust and rage of the chapter which is much stronger than the Blood Angels themselves Thats cool, Im finding out info on behalf of my bro so i will let him know about Beneath the Flesh. So helmet colours are all the same which is good, i agree it looks better than having multicoloured helmets. But what of the honour guard? As a pure elite personal chosen set of warriors i can imagine they would still wear gold helmets as their roles wouldnt change within the Chapter?? Finally do the flesh tearers have sanguinary guard or is that just a blood angel thing? Somehow the sanguinary guard judt dont seem to be fleah tearer-y if you see what i mean? Every BA successor is supposed to have them I think, but they don't have to all be noble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadGreek Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 As an aside, not sure how many of you have checked out Anvil Industry for conversion bits, but they just released some Chainaxes that look nice. Haven't gotten any yet, but I have several bits from them and the quality is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/index.php?r...;product_id=233 Good cheap alternative to the FW ones. / Seth's Honour Guard have gold helmets. Not sure about every Honour Guard. And FT have Sanguinary Guard too. Just very rare to see. I made a conversion last year for a Counts As Dante which i wrote some background on. Captured my thoughts on the FT and their version of Sanguinary Guard and what they represent 10,000 years on. http://flesh-tearers.blogspot.co.uk/2011/0...sh-tearers.html and the mini: http://flesh-tearers.blogspot.co.uk/2010/1...forgeworld.html http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cc2w-f0XTFg/TLer...0247%5B1%5D.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Dan'l Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Are chain axes treated the same way as power axes? I'm finally getting into 6e and my insane plan to have one squad from each successor chapter. But if the axes are I1 I'm not so sure it will be worth the effort to include Flesh Tearers. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 nope - they're still just normal CCW's as far as the rules go, just a different looking chainsword... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axira Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Are chain axes treated the same way as power axes? I'm finally getting into 6e and my insane plan to have one squad from each successor chapter. But if the axes are I1 I'm not so sure it will be worth the effort to include Flesh Tearers. :unsure: They are (as of yet) just played as normal CC wepons! Unless of course you are Khorne Bezerkers, then you would get the modelling part of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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