Harleqvin Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Couldn't find this anywhere. Was wondering if any one knows when the Dark Angels first found evidence of the Fallen after the destruction of Caliban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 To my knowledge it's never been described and I'd never really thought about it. My best guess is that the loyalist librarians just knew. "The Warp did it and some psykers had a vision" explains a lot of the 40k universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 My guess would be Luther. After all they found him babbling in the tower of angels. Perhaps he babbled about the fallen too. Or the watchers. They seem to know almost anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 Psykers having a vision is plausible. All I can seem to find is that it was stated they all thought the traitors died because of the Warp Rift until somehow they found out they were out there... Â I don't think Luther would have told them. Unless somehow he knew the Warp Rift wasn't destruction. With what is told about that instance it would seem that he did not know what the rift was meant for, seeing how the Chaos Powers made the rift because they lost another one, meaning Luther. Â Watchers seem plausible, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Well the dex sais that from time to time, they get some useful tid bits of info from him and using his as an oracle. And that he knows that El Johnson is the cell next door. So how far fetched would it be for him to know of the fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 A little fetched. ;) He knows that the Watchers took El'Jonson. I am just saying I wouldn't think it that likely is all that he would have known that the rift sent the traitors through time and space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 It's an intriguing question and one I've pondered from time to time. There are a lot of things we don't know, but consider this: Â Why did the Dark Angels change from black to green armour? Was it expunge their guilt or was it to distinguish themselves from the Fallen once they became aware of them? Or was it guilt and an attempt to distance themselves, effectively saying that they would start a new chapter in their history to atone for what went before? Â I suspect that the realisation of the existence of the Fallen and the change in armour colour are probably connected. Interestingly, the Ravenwing and Deathwing both wore black initially. Perhaps they were looking to lull the Fallen into a false sense of security or perhaps the colour denoted the fact that they needed to remember what had happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Or to denote the fact that they know of and work against them perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Those were somethings I was thinking. We will eventually know more as they tell more. lqtm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lothlorienmoon Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 As far as the color change, I always assumed it was because of the destruction of Caliban. In the two Horus Heresy books, the Imperial army forces from Caliban, as well as the shoulder pads of at least a few Dark Angels, are painted deep green to remind them of the forests of their home. With the home they fought for destroyed, it's possible that they repainted their armor to reflect that loss and remember where they came from. Similar to the tradition that spawned bone white Death Wings. Also the raven's motif of Raven Wing being a hold over from the Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 That is a very likely reason for the green armor after the destruction of Caliban. One thing I thought interesting though was the clawed wing holding a sword was the icon for the Raven's Wing and that was a white icon with a blue backing, in The Call of the Lion. I need to read that short story more thoroughly when I get a copy. I am thinking of buying it as an ebook as I don't know if I want any of the other stories in that compilation. I really do hope they eventually reveal how the DA first found that the traitor DA were still out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 Was wondering if anyone has found any info on "when" they found out. I know it was from the Librarians. I had simply forgotten it stated that in the Codex but it didn't say when exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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