Aegnor Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 In the December White Dwarf, James Swallow is interviewed regarding Nathaniel Garro. "But the questions I get asked most about Garro are about his future. Where will he end up? What is the significance of the colourless armour he wears in service to Malcador the Sigillite? Will he face Mortarion again? All these things will be answered in time, but I'll leave you with one revelation. He is not a Grey Knight. The question of who and what Nathaniel Garro is, and where his fate lies, is much more complicated than that..." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Of course he isn't a Grey Knight. Garro is Death Guard, whether he likes it or not. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3245502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Well, that's half the Grand Master theories down the drain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3245507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Not necessarily, it wouldn't be the first time a GW/BL author played cute with words to set up a "big twist"... He could be playing at semantics or it could be something else. We just need to wait and see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3245515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 but more importantly, is he a giraffe? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3245521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 but more importantly, is he a giraffe? WLK Of course he is not. It's Sevatar. And as for Garro, I always though of him as a first Inquisitor or something like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3245612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 but more importantly, is he a giraffe? WLK Of course he is not. It's Sevatar. And as for Garro, I always though of him as a first Inquisitor or something like that. Sevatar's about as likely to be a giraffe as he would be to be a founding member of the Grey Knights (though I'd bet that would be real story). I agree about Garro, he seems more an Inquisitorial type. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3245649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Garro is something like a proto-GK. Kinda like Thunder Warriors were not Space Marines, they were proto-Astartes. At least I see it that way. I'm looking forward for more of Garro's story. Burden of Duty is my favourite so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3246062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Always suspected that he'd play at most a 'mentoring' role (if at all) to the first Grey Knights, rather than becoming a Grey Knight through-and-through. Since the "Flight of the Eisenstein" it's always been alluded to that Garro and co' had a much wider and varied role to play, as people of such an 'inquisitive nature'. Of course, James may also be hinting at the notion that Garro may not even make it through the war. Some other authors have already suggested that as we still have a while to go in the Heresy and that the line-up of warriors Garro has collected so far may not be the same people who go before Malcador again, to be told to set up the Inquisition/Grey Knights. Hopefully James' quote puts a blocker on some of the conspiracies that Garro lends his geneseed to that of the Grey Knights or even becomes Grand Master Janus. Never liked either... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3246881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim AMM realgenius Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Never trust an author, especially when he spells something out so briefly and specifically. Ok, Garro won't be a Grey Knight, but he still could help to create the chapter, define their practices and for all intents and purposes be the "father" of the Grey Knights, all while not actually being one himself. Or I could see the author say "He's not a Grey Knight, he's THE Grey Knight. There's a difference, see?". Yes, yes, all sound and fury signifying nothing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3247084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 It's semantics. Garro is obviously a Grey Knight for all intents and purposes, it's just that they might put something in like that the ex-Traitor Legion marines can only found the chapter and not actually lead it or count as amongst it to hide the fact that the GK were founded by members of those legions or something like that to make him "not a Grey Knight" but for story purposes it's bleeding obvious. Just like how it now seems that Sevatar will be a Grey Knight too. It's like Warhammer Oprah "You get to be a Grey Knight! And YOU get to be a Grey Knight! Everyone gets to be a Grey Knight!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3247112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necris Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Of course Garro isn't a grey knight He changes his name to Janus We'll end up with a figure looking up at a wall with the names of the dead etched upon it, the wall will have Battle Captain Nathaniel Garro --- Some one will come up behind him and ask him something like "What is on your mind brother Janus?" To which the reply will be along the lines of. "Another life long ago, forgotten now save for one last reminder of everything lost." And with that he'll turn away and never think of that life again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3247133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Thorus Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 im calling it! Garro and everyone in team awesome will join Dorn, Sanguinius and the Emperor when they teleport to the Vengeful Spirit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3247253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Loken obviously died on Istvaan. Wait... -_- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3247497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 im calling it! Garro and everyone in team awesome will join Dorn, Sanguinius and the Emperor when they teleport to the Vengeful Spirit. Not a bad call, I say. I'm personally still partial to the whole proto-inquisition theory. -_- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3247499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 He is not a Grey Knight. The question of who and what Nathaniel Garro is, and where his fate lies, is much more complicated than that..." Well Damm. Speaking for the Garro = Janus folks, this hurts. I will have to read the full interview to see if this is word play but this don't look "good". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3248162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 No he is not a Grey Knight but somebody has to teach them how to be Space Marines and Dorn did say that most of the warriors that Malcador had Garro collecting where former Librarians. Draw your own conclusions. That said Garro doesn't seam cut out to be a Chapter Master to me and neither does Loken. They seam to much the Line Warriors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3249959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Sevatar a grey knight? Not likely, he is quite insaine and prone to killing his own. I hope that was entended as sarcasm. As for the others, They have to live long enough to even consider the idea of them becoming GK. Thats a while aways and we will just ahve to wait and see who is left standing in the end. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3250089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerorunner Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Garro was the commander of the 7th Great Company. With the number of troops he commanded, that may well qualify him to lead the Grey Knights in their beginnings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3250111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 He is not a Grey Knight. The question of who and what Nathaniel Garro is, and where his fate lies, is much more complicated than that..." Well Damm. Speaking for the Garro = Janus folks, this hurts. I will have to read the full interview to see if this is word play but this don't look "good". It's a literal quote. There is nothing else about it in the interview, except for "I'll leave you with one revelation" and then the above quote. Taking it literally, of course he's not a Grey Knight, his gene seed is that of the Death Guard. It could still mean he is part of the chapter, in a similar way that a serf to Sicarius is not an Ultramarine. Obviously, Garro wouldn't be a servant. I'm more inclined to think the librarians become the Grey Knights, whilst Garro is something else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3250371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaintMyBits Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 My money is on Omegon as Janus. Alpha legion have a spare primarch and it would be just like them if one of the brothers actually didnt agree with the other and kept his agenda to himself while influencing events in the oh so sneaky, clandestine(inquisitorial) way that they do?! The name Janus lends istself to this aswell given the alphas hydra iconography. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3250438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Garro, maybe becomes Deathwatch then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3250672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I'm not so sure on Garro being Deathwatch. That seems almost as simple as him being a Grey Knight, and if his fate is more complicated than that, I'd lean away from this. Also, Janus is one of the missing Primarchs. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3250837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Garro, maybe becomes Deathwatch then? I'm not sure why but I was under the impression the Deathwatch was conceived later as an organisation than Heresy-era. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3250879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 To be honest I never saw Garro as a Grey Knight. I'm glad this has been cleared up finally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266448-garro-not-a-grey-knight/#findComment-3250896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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