Custodian Athiair Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 It's gonna be a very short first post, I see a lot of people talking on this forum about using Deamon Allies to make a strong Chaos Army, I'm not sure why. I'm not saying that it's wrong - cause I genuinely have no idea - but I want to know why. Cause I always like Chaos but never got onside with deamons, don't know what it was never really liked them much. And I doubt I'll include them in my future chaos army, purely because i never see the Alpha Legion using deamons and the Iron Warriors seem to put their faith in steel and cordite than tricksy deamonic powers. None the less I'm interested why the deamons seem to be flavour of the month for the Chaos Space Marine Allies. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Lord Shamrockius Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The daemon ruleset and play style seems to be strong in 6th edition. That's why people are keen on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Nice cheap and sturdy troop choices in plaguebearers, effective offensive powah in screamers and flamers, magic powers without tests or defenses in the HQ choices... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinners Red Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 With the Allies Chart, Daemons are our only Battle Brother class ally. Also, with certain warbands Daemon allies are like peas and carrots, it makes sense. I wouldn't say flavor of the month for it. I mean they are like the direct manifestations of the Chaos Gods that Chaos Space Marines (some of them) worship and fight for. Blood for the Blood God and all that. Sure we Night Lords, and other warbands don't like Daemons at all and if I had to choose I would take IG allies. And what Chaos Lord Shamrockius said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Just because your Night Lords doesn't like daemons doesn't mean that the bloodshead the wreak upon the innocent population of some world isn't going to draw the attention of the big four... ;) Perhaps they didn't mean to summon them, but they'll hardly vanish with a stern "shoo" from a chaos lord. :) I'd say there could be fluff reasons to include daemons in most warbands from most legions and ex-chapters, they are our only bff:s after all! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinners Red Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Just because your Night Lords doesn't like daemons doesn't mean that the bloodshead the wreak upon the innocent population of some world isn't going to draw the attention of the big four... ;) Perhaps they didn't mean to summon them, but they'll hardly vanish with a stern "shoo" from a chaos lord. :) I'd say there could be fluff reasons to include daemons in most warbands from most legions and ex-chapters, they are our only bff:s after all! :P Of course, I take marks on my Raptors and Bikers. I don't shun the possibility that the Gods are watching or anything. But it would be a case of 'Who invited these guys, was it you? Cause it wasn't me.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 AHA! Nobody expects the spanis...eerr...I mean Chaos Daemons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Just because your Night Lords doesn't like daemons doesn't mean that the bloodshead the wreak upon the innocent population of some world isn't going to draw the attention of the big four... ;) Perhaps they didn't mean to summon them, but they'll hardly vanish with a stern "shoo" from a chaos lord. :) I'd say there could be fluff reasons to include daemons in most warbands from most legions and ex-chapters, they are our only bff:s after all! :P Of course, I take marks on my Raptors and Bikers. I don't shun the possibility that the Gods are watching or anything. But it would be a case of 'Who invited these guys, was it you? Cause it wasn't me.' "The last little girl on the corner happened to be a latent psyker whose death has breached the barriers between both worlds." At least, that's how I imagine the reply being. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Lord Shamrockius Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 they'll hardly vanish with a stern "shoo" from a chaos lord. :) 'Who invited these guys, was it you? Cause it wasn't me.' This is possibly the closest CSM tactical discussion has come to being a Monty Python sketch ever. And I like it. Edit : and Kol Sarek, I believe Eric Idle would wander in screen right with your line. Apologies for not using that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I see a lot of people talking on this forum about using Deamon Allies to make a strong Chaos Army, I'm not sure why. flamers , screamers , multiple flying Mc , tally . people take demons for stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'd love to get some daemon allies but I'll wait till january for their new dex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 waiting to buy models which will rise in price after new year , is not the most sensible thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 waiting to buy models which will rise in price after new year , is not the most sensible thing to do. I already have my screamers and flamers though, I'm waiting for the new models for a HQ if any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 waiting to buy models which will rise in price after new year , is not the most sensible thing to do. That's true of course but somehow I'm expecting the nerfbat to come down hard on both flamers and screamers. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I already have two squads of Blood Letters with a squad of Blood Crushers, a Blood Thirster and a Soul Grinder. These units have served me pretty well when I balance it with a heavily ranged back chaos marine army. I really wish I had some screamers and flamers but eh, im not spending money on an army that im only going to be using as allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 waiting to buy models which will rise in price after new year , is not the most sensible thing to do. You kinda have to balance that with holding out to see what gets nerfed, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 new kits never get nerfed. flamers and screamers got an upgrade with chariots , they should be very good. that is of course if actualy you get demons in this half of 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Supposed to be February. I'm not sure they'll still be the 'new kits' GW will be pushing at that time. Frankly, I never bought the idea that GW deliberately messes with the game balance of models in order to push particular kits. If that were true, then we wouldn't had fiascos like the 4e possessed, and the current nid book wouldn't revolve entirely around a model that wasn't even on the horizon at the time the book was released. At the very least, the slaaneshi chariots would have been better. I'm also expecting a nerf on flamers and screamers, and will be holding off on my own allied detachment until I can see how everything actually pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khurdur Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 It's gonna be a very short first post, I see a lot of people talking on this forum about using Deamon Allies to make a strong Chaos Army, I'm not sure why. I'm not saying that it's wrong - cause I genuinely have no idea - but I want to know why. Cause I always like Chaos but never got onside with deamons, don't know what it was never really liked them much. And I doubt I'll include them in my future chaos army, purely because i never see the Alpha Legion using deamons and the Iron Warriors seem to put their faith in steel and cordite than tricksy deamonic powers. None the less I'm interested why the deamons seem to be flavour of the month for the Chaos Space Marine Allies. Thanks, Why daemons are a good ally for chaos marines? They are fluffy, competitive and allow us to include a BLOODTHIRSTER !!! Nothing is cooler than a bloodthirster....unless it dies ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Daemons indeed seem to be crazy strong right now with the right kind of list, so it seems logical they would make good allies from a power perspective. And fluff-wise too. But yeah, in terms of power, in our local lil' tournament the only Daemons player has so far raked in 85 out of a possible maximum of 90 points after three out of a series of four tournaments. So that makes 9 matches (3 per tournament), of which 8 massacre/wipe-out victories that award 10 points and one where he "only" got 5 points. And let me tell you, most of the other lists there are cheesy enough as is... :) My BT army has a measly 30 points so far. Luckily haven't had to face the Daemons yet... or the Doomscythe-spamming Necron player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Why not take daemons as allies? For modellers, it gives them a chance to work on something other than power armor that they can use in game. For fluffists, well, daemons are fluffier than a box full of freshly cleaned xenos psyker kittens. I haven't gamed in a while but I do like a bit of fun to my gaming as well - and what's more fun than having some Flamers show up behind enemy guard lines or some Daemonettes show up in the middle of an Eldar army? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Did Daemon powers get nerfed? I can't recall if they got turned into psychic attacks or not. If they didn't, then their attacks aren't subject to Deny The Witch, which gives them another point in their favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the42up Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 screamers and flamers are the usual reasons to ally demons...with a dash of plaguebearers and bloodcrushers on the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teku Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 As a Nurgle player I don't see the use of Deamon Allies... Screamers and flamers isn't really fluffly since nurgle and tzeentch aren't best friends. Nurglings and Plaguebearers? Are they really worth the points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 As a Nurgle player I don't see the use of Deamon Allies... Screamers and flamers isn't really fluffly since nurgle and tzeentch aren't best friends. Nurglings and Plaguebearers? Are they really worth the points? Epidemus maybe? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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