killercroc Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 So I decided to start building up my Space Marine army with actual models not just ideas and wanted to make the best use of my Fast Attack choices that I can. I am going to be using Hawk Lords (Raven Guard sub chapter...ish) and they make use of a lot of Thunderhawks, Assault marines, and Land speeders. Now Thunderhawks are just to expensive for me so I figured I'd aim for Assault marines and Speeders but there were a couple things I am not quite sure ok. Should I use the Blood Angel codex to take Assault marines as troops to fill up my FA slots for Speeders? Should I use the normal SM codex and work around the 3 FA slots I get? Or should I wait for Dark Angels? From rumors I hear Speeders will be used in squads of 1-5 and will be able to split into combat teams... somehow. All I know is I want to use a fast army, I am use to playing a horde Ork army so a faster elite army like SM is just a lot more appealing. But there are just so many ways to go I don't know what to pick, or which codex would be the most useful for what I want. So what do you guys thing would be best? BA, SM, or DA codex? Should I take more Assault Marines or Speeders? I plan on starting up my army slowly as so I can paint everything. So far I have a Tactical squad, 3 Drop pods, and a Typhoon pattern Speeder, not much but I don't want to get to far ahead before I know how I actually want my army run like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 At the moment, probably BA with Space Marine Bikers as Allies. That would provide for the most numbers, probably. When Dark Angels come out, Ravenwing might be better than "White Scars", so you may want to keep an open mind there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 why arent you using 6-9 attack bikes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Angelus Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Or to phrase it in a more helpful way; Attack bikes are really good (cheap melta, T5, Jink save), i'd suggest 6-9 of those in your FA slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymirl Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Assault marines are useful, ideally give them flamers keep them cheap and you can use them for skirmishing and distraction work. They don't tend to be mean enough to do the job of being a front line assault unit though. Attack bikes are great fire support, cheap and effective. Speeders are also great fire support, either big squadrons of double heavy Bolter speeders to pour firepower onto stuff or typhoons either singly or in pairs work very well. They can keep moving and hang back to try and avoid getting too much attention. Codex space marines should be fine for hawk lords to be honest, they have preferred units as noted but its not like that is the only thing they ever field! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Blood angels gives you troops choice assault marines, speeders as fast attack and storm ravens as well, since 400 odd quid for a thunderhawk is as you rightly point out a bit much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Hawk lords are all about flying right? Why not take some storm talons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Hawk lords are all about flying right? Why not take some storm talons? That's exactly what I was going to suggest. After all, there is canon fluff about the Hawk Lords doing exchange-student-style swaps with other Chapters with their Thunderhawk pilots because they're so expertly skilled. The same could apply to their Stormtalon pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killercroc Posted December 1, 2012 Author Share Posted December 1, 2012 Hmm, some pretty good points here. @ Jeske & Angelus: Now Attack bikes seem pretty good it's just that I'd rather take Speeders instead, mainly because they are faster and can have a bit better weapon load outs; double H. bolters, double Multi-melta, Typhoon pattern, double H. flamers, etc. They just get more load outs than a normal attack bike. Though I was thinking of using a bike Captain and using bike squads as Troops. @Hymirl: Assault marines I think as pointed out are best for a distraction, I was planning on only just giving Flamers and a power sword to the Sergeant, keeps them on the cheap, but still effective. They are a bit tricky however, but I see so many people trying to use them at the front of their army trying to get into combat quickly but they really arent meant for that, more so jumping along the edges to attack flanks, or as a trap to keep your Tact. marines safe... hmm. @Basswave & Ferrum: You might have a point there, since I cannot take Thunderhawks a Storm Talon is a close second, and honestly 3 of those guys (while still really expensive) is still less than just one Hawk. Blood Angels just might be the codex for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montuhotep Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 The only fly in the ointment here is that the BA codex doesn't have the Talon available to it. Storm Raven yes indeed, but not Storm Talon. The latter is a Codex Marines only choice. Or you could get the T-hawk's little brother, the Storm Eagle, which flies for everyone I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymirl Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 And the Stormeagle is far cooler looking than the Stormraven... (Incidentally its getting quite annoying with the lack of imagination in marine flyer names, why must they all be storm-insert-name-here!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messor Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 And the Stormeagle is far cooler looking than the Stormraven... (Incidentally its getting quite annoying with the lack of imagination in marine flyer names, why must they all be storm-insert-name-here!) Heh, or more specifically storm-[insert bird or bird part here] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naminé Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 And the Stormeagle is far cooler looking than the Stormraven... (Incidentally its getting quite annoying with the lack of imagination in marine flyer names, why must they all be storm-insert-name-here!) Heh, or more specifically storm-[insert bird or bird part here] Stormgibblets OT: I think Landspeeders are a great option, and would take 2 or 3 per squadron. Specialise them with double melta or flamers, depending on your needs, and don't be afraid to deepstrike them in. Same goes for Assault Marines... I would keep them cheap though, taking a full squad with melta bombs and use them to support your army. If you are playing 2k points you could take even more fast attack such as more Assault marines, vangaurd vets or Storm Talons to escort speeders coming on from reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulochromis Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 "Pure Fast Attack" SM: 165 Biker Captain 185 4xBike, MGx2, MMAB 185 4xBike, MGx2, MMAB 185 4xBike, MGx2, MMAB 150 3x AB, MMx3 130 Storm Talon 130 Storm Talon 1130 BA: 100 JP Libby 210 10x ASM, MGx2 210 10x ASM, MGx2 150 3x AB, MMx3 200 Stormraven 870 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killercroc Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 Hmm, the double weapons for Speeders does seem like it would be the best option, I mean, if you are taking a Multi-melta why not take 2? Double the odds of cracking a tank. And with my bad rolling I could use all the help I can get haha. I was thinking double Heavy flamers would even work because they can go 12" and still shoot both weapons so if I ever fight Tyranids or Orks a couple of those would be nice in place of the Melta Speeders. But I think the Typhoon Speeders would always be useful since they can go anti-tank or infantry! Always good to have a little variety in your units. And I like that idea for a SM/BA list. Gives me even more Fast options! Though if anything I might have it so the BA are the main force and SM are the allies, that way I can take more Assault squads and Storms, and use marines for Speeders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Getting the urge to try MM attack bikes once I get my new models and try C:SM again. Take Vulkan and spam MM & HF units for extra cheesiness! Problem is I've only been planning on one attack bike model, and that only because it happens to come with the Ravenwing battleforce. Separate attack bike being costly, I'm not sure, because I'd need a total of three, really. Ugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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