Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Have any of you wondered what the 6th legion must have been like before they found Russ. Were there any differences? Longfang in Prospero Burns did not seem that different to a Fenrisian SW, his final dreams are even Fenrisian. In reflection on The Wolfbrothers which proved that The Space Wolves Legion could not be divided it makes me wonder about the Terran Space Wolves too. A fluff idea of mine (for the RPG Deathwatch) is that a lost pre Russ battle barge is found trapped in a stasis field within a space Hulk. Filled with Terran Space Wolves who had never met Russ. Anythoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacton Qruze Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 My pre-heresy wolves (which are an off shoot of my post heresy wolves) are a Terran-born Great Company. My narrative keeps them decidedly SW, but with a bit more of the typical social graces you see from the well-adjusted chapters. As the largest concentration of Terrans remaining in the legion, they expedition with the Imperial Fists, as an elite siegebreaker element, but are starting to suffer pretty badly from depletion, having been thrown into some of the worst meat grinders of the crusades. When the order to bring in Magnus comes down, they are too far out to receive the call, and find themselves instead called to Terra with the rest of the IF. Though Russ intended to call them back to The Fang for resupply and new Fenrisian recruits, by the time the Legion arrives to break the siege of Terra, precious few of the Great Company remain and he is left with no choice but to fold them into a new Fenrisian company. Though each Terran carved a mighty saga in the battle over the Imperial Palace, the events changed them in a way that prevented them from properly adapting with the Fenrisians like so many others had. They all ended up as scouts and Lone Wolves in the subsequent scouring. Their emblem comes from the yellow wolf's head that was the symbol for the chapter in its RT days, and the sun is a reminder of the original great hunt, when they first set out from the sol system in search of the Allfather's lost son. I basically had to come up with a way to keep myself on Terra, because no one in our HH group runs Thousand Sons, but I actually really like the concept. I don't think they are actually much different, though, from the limited exposure we've had to them in the fiction. Before finding Russ, they are probably less Viking-like, as I think a lot of that is a result of Fenrisian upbringing and the location of the Fang. Genetically, though, you would see most similarities. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3253977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 You'd probably see less wolf pelts (which are likely more to do with their fenresian culture), and more wolf themes such as wolf-shaped helms and shoulderpads. I imagine theyd be much less feral but no less aggressive. Take a look at the other mentions of the conflict between terran-borns and homewolrd-borns in fiction, such as the death guard, then just apply the same differances to the wolves. I imagine most wolves at the time would have the mindset of Garro, minus the death guard ideals, but with the core spacewolves mindset. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3254111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 fluff has them looking less wolflike but they adopt many Fenrision Customs such as wolf pelts, beards etc to more fully integrate into the pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3254119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder_god Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I'm going to represent the Terran born Wolves in my army by using Mk. II armor & some bare/ standard space marine heads. I like the idea mentioned about not looking as Viking too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3254242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 fluff has them looking less wolflike but they adopt many Fenrision Customs such as wolf pelts, beards etc to more fully integrate into the pack. Well in Deliverance Lost they state that the material of the 6th had Canini DNA material embedded in its genseed (the material that made our primarch) So i would say they would have a bit of a hunter mentality Pre Fenris Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3254799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain fabian Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Isn't the Canis Helix (or whatever) part of every Space Wolf? If so even terra born wolves would be the same as the viking-fenrissian ones in terms of ferocity/savagery/senseless violence. I mean terra born wolves did not mutate further to turn into the fenrissian kind of space marine. They only adapted their tactics, appearance and traditions to better suit their new homeworld. Apart from that a wolf is always a wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3254986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 fluff has them looking less wolflike but they adopt many Fenrision Customs such as wolf pelts, beards etc to more fully integrate into the pack. Well in Deliverance Lost they state that the material of the 6th had Canini DNA material embedded in its genseed (the material that made our primarch) So i would say they would have a bit of a hunter mentality Pre Fenris I totally agree with you. All space marine be they Terran or Fenrision share thier Primarchs DNA and thus will be gentically similar, However the Terran SW will have their own Pre fenris traditions and social ways just as the Fenrision would have their own. i merely ment that the Terrans would adopt the Fenrision ways just as they would adopt Fenris as their new homeworld. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3255010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Isn't the Canis Helix (or whatever) part of every Space Wolf? Yes, indeed. The Canis Helix is the "special gift" that comes with Russ' genetic legacy, which ALL Space Wolves have inherited, regardless of which home-world they originally hailed from, Terra, Fenris, or otherwise*. * I can say otherwise as there is specific mention of an Inquisitor's analysis that for long-term survival "Lost Companies" are likely to recruit from local populations of wherever they happen to end up, in order to replace losses. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3255358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 fluff has them looking less wolflike but they adopt many Fenrision Customs such as wolf pelts, beards etc to more fully integrate into the pack. Well in Deliverance Lost they state that the material of the 6th had Canini DNA material embedded in its genseed (the material that made our primarch) So i would say they would have a bit of a hunter mentality Pre Fenris I totally agree with you. All space marine be they Terran or Fenrision share thier Primarchs DNA and thus will be gentically similar, However the Terran SW will have their own Pre fenris traditions and social ways just as the Fenrision would have their own. i merely ment that the Terrans would adopt the Fenrision ways just as they would adopt Fenris as their new homeworld. They would indeed not use Fenris traditions as its against the imperial Creed of that time. So nothing like it exists untill they got to Fenris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3255403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 If betrayal from FW is anything to go by, I believe that all the legions before coming to their primarchs, were more or less organized and acted the same and adhered to the old warfare tactics of old earth. There would be certain quirks and temperament due to the Primarchs DNA playing a role but mostly it would be superficial. The drastic changes came after they primarchs were found. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3256036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 If betrayal from FW is anything to go by, I believe that all the legions before coming to their primarchs, were more or less organized and acted the same and adhered to the old warfare tactics of old earth. There would be certain quirks and temperament due to the Primarchs DNA playing a role but mostly it would be superficial. The drastic changes came after they primarchs were found. I just know how superficial the Canis Helix would be anywhere in the Galaxy. But I agree to a point that is probably how it was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267176-the-old-terran-spacewolves/#findComment-3257321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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