Lepaca Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Pssstt. . . .don't tell anyone, but that [probably] wasn't Guilliman. Or any Ultramarine, really. :P In point of fact, it is possible that Roboute Guilliman was both Alpharius and Omegon all along, with the recruits from the XX Legion's "unknown" homeworld in fact being drawn from the hundred worlds of Ultramar. Some may ponder how such a thing could be, citing the issues of Alpharius, Omegon, and Guilliman all being seen in a variety of places at more or less the same time, and even fighting against one another on Eskrador. What these people forget that, according to Know No Fear, Roboute Guilliman was a master of LOGISTICS, whose ability to move troops and material could not even be comprehended by a non-Primarch mind, and could not be matched by any of his brothers. Ergo, it was child's play for him to manuver troops into an asteroid field and use his superior capability at LOGISTICS to manuver his way onto the Vengeful Spirit's bridge, while at the same time commanding the XIII Legion's Crusade. The guy sitting on the stasis throne at Maccrage is either Sheed Ranko, Garro, or Sevatar. I'm awaiting Betrayer and Unremembered Empire before I conclusively decide which of those three it is for certain. Made my day! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3258464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 grendal is still alive same with toramino they are both in dead sky black sun novel same with that dreadnought oh and ultramarines have no history of that conflict with the alpha legion so ultramarines had nothing to do with it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3258483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Added the 2 Iron Warriors. Question: Should I include daemons? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3260116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 no i dont thnk so the only demon thats turns up in 40k was ka-banha or how ever you spell it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3260203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger-than-Jesus Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Sor talgron is the the Warmaster in Dark Apostle, and Marduk and Kol Badar too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3260601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Added the 2 Iron Warriors. Question: Should I include daemons? I wouldn't. Daemons can't actually die (though I guess they could be reabsorbed into their patron god or something), so it's not really worth noting that they're still around in 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3260606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I thought Marduk was inducted into the WB after the Heresy? Been awhile since I read it but I thought I saw that. Could definitely be wrong though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3260609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 no he was at the battle of calth sor talgron is warmonger a dreadnought, kol badar, Jarulek but he dies in 40k erebus Kor Phaeron their is still 5 survivors of the gal vorbak Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3261101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Didn't Argel Tal die during the Siege of Terra? We don't know about Horus Aximand and Maloghurst. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3261143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 we are not sure if that future is going to happen yet as thats what lorgar said but i still think hes alive its not listed hes dead anywhere Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3261255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 Sor talgron is the the Warmaster in Dark Apostle, and Marduk and Kol Badar too. Sor Talgron seems to be dead. Adding the other 2! I wouldn't. Daemons can't actually die (though I guess they could be reabsorbed into their patron god or something), so it's not really worth noting that they're still around in 40k. Yeah I guess so... Didn't Argel Tal die during the Siege of Terra? We don't know about Horus Aximand and Maloghurst. Yeah, that's why all of them have the maybe status. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3261287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 argel tal dies at the battle of terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3261306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 argel tal dies at the battle of terra That might well be but since we have no source yet in which he dies (afaik there's only prophecies) he might also be alive, possibly even ascended to daemonhood. So I'll keep him as a "might be dead". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3261338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 sor talgron is a dreadnought called warmonger hes in the dark apostle trilogy hes called warmonger not warmaster Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3261775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Eidolon has served as a lieutenant to Abaddon the Despoiler, a consort to Queen Sylelle as well as a champion of the Daemon Prince N'Kari. if you have read angel exterminates then you would know why ive put eidolon on the list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3261779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 sor talgron is a dreadnought called warmonger hes in the dark apostle trilogy hes called warmonger not warmaster Sor Talgron/the Warmonger is dead in 40k, although he survived till 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3261870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 A quote from one of the latest ABD post on his blog: I’m trying to show a greater number of Traitor characters that actually die, that aren’t around in 40K, because from my perspective there’s enough focus on the main 40K Big Bads. If none of the Red Team die in the HH series, then they’d win the war. So the point of a character like Argel Tal is that he’s not around in 40K. He’s a major character in the 30K era, but he dies in the heresy. The Traitor Legions lose, after all. They need to take real casualties. Argel Tal is dead in 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3262014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 A quote from one of the latest ABD post on his blog:I’m trying to show a greater number of Traitor characters that actually die, that aren’t around in 40K, because from my perspective there’s enough focus on the main 40K Big Bads. If none of the Red Team die in the HH series, then they’d win the war. So the point of a character like Argel Tal is that he’s not around in 40K. He’s a major character in the 30K era, but he dies in the heresy. The Traitor Legions lose, after all. They need to take real casualties. Argel Tal is dead in 40k. Ok, that is pretty definite. I was still hoping for him to become a DP or something. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3262055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 17, 2012 Author Share Posted December 17, 2012 Since some people here seem to have read Betrayer... any updates? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3263192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 27, 2012 Author Share Posted December 27, 2012 Added new survivors from the Iron Hands legion and updated the layout! Survivors from the Ultramarines and the Imperial Fists desperately needed! Suggestions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3271544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Betrayer updates, Argel Tal is dead, Khârn is still kicking, Kargos Bloodspitter(who I believed posed for a certain artwork featuring a plain of skulls and a fiery Khorne Berzerker) is "officially" introduced and is going to survive and that's about it. Can't really comment on who in the Heresy series is actually going to survive until it either ends or they show up in a 40k-era publication, such as Astelan, Talos, Xarl, Uzas, Cyrion, the Exalted, Mercutian, Malek and others have. Although for the Iron Warriors you missed Kroeger, Forrix and Berrosus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3271555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 Betrayer updates, Argel Tal is dead, Khârn is still kicking, Kargos Bloodspitter(who I believed posed for a certain artwork featuring a plain of skulls and a fiery Khorne Berzerker) is "officially" introduced and is going to survive and that's about it. Thanks for the Betrayer updates! Although the news about Argel Tal make me sad as hell. :( Can't really comment on who in the Heresy series is actually going to survive until it either ends or they show up in a 40k-era publication, such as Astelan, Talos, Xarl, Uzas, Cyrion, the Exalted, Mercutian, Malek and others have. Well yes and no. I'd include characters introduced in the HH and as "maybe alive" until there is some evidence that they are either alive or dead. An example for this is Sigismund. Although there is nothing that states that he is actually dead it seems very likely to me as there have been other Grand Marshalls after him... and GMs tend to remain GMs as long as they live. Although for the Iron Warriors you missed Kroeger, Forrix and Berrosus. Aren't all 3 of them dead by now? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3272082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 They might be dead in 999.M41, but they are still kicking in M41. If you want survivors of the Horus Heresy who are still present in 40k, they are technically still there, even though they died at the end. Perhaps it might be an idea you give us clearer criteria regarding this, makes our jobs a lot easier. :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3272123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Lepaca, if "dead in 40k" excludes someone from the list, then I don't think any Iron Warriors survived as Toramino was killed by the Heart of Blood at the very end of Dead Sky, Black Sun and Cadaras Grendel was killed in Chapter's Due. The only ones alive are Barban Falk and Perturabo by virtue of ascending to daemonhood. And I was saying that I can't comment on who will or will not survive. Sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3272195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 The name of the thread is "survivors of the heresy", isn't then a better idea to use that as a criteria? So, who survived the Heresy? Who lived after the Siege of the Imperial Palace? If the characters are known to have died later on that's a different story, but not that relevant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267242-survivors-of-the-heresy/page/4/#findComment-3272246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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