Fulgrim

[Archlich]

Hi,

 

I missed few novels from Horus Heresy (why is Aurelian so Expensive anyway?!:( ).

 

I decided to make small shortcut and read synopsis of "Primarch" on Lexicanum. I was shocked to realize that Fulgrim (whom I believe to be trapped in the painting for the enternity) is back in the control of his body. Is that so?

 

On related note - shouldn't such experience straight him up (being possessed usually convinces people that "Daemons are bad")

[Billuriye]

Fulgrim didn't come out unscathed. His soul is beat and forever altered.

[MagicMan]

I think its the only story that a Primarch gets anal probed in. Enjoys it too.

 

Pretty interesting stuff.

[Archlich]

So:

 

1. Image of honorable Fulgrim who was just posessed by daemon goes down the toilet.

 

2. I am the only one here who thinks that "being trapped in the painting" should not be the best situation to learn "dark arts"? I would rather prefer some pact with Slanesh....

[Billuriye]

I suppose he talked with Slaanesh. How else did he learn about Angel Exterminatus?

[Lepaca]

To escape he learned "warpcraft" and apparently struck some kind of bargain with Slaanesh.

Also he has by that point already been thoroughly changed by Slaanesh, there is no way back for him.

[KarkassBC]

To escape he learned "warpcraft" and apparently struck some kind of bargain with Slaanesh.

Also he has by that point already been thoroughly changed by Slaanesh, there is no way back for him.

 

Not completely unbelievable.

 

Mortarion accepted the offer of Nurgle to escape the Warp (at least Mortarion would have request also the permission to crush Typhus every time that he wanted...)

 

Magnus accepted the offer of Tzeentch to save the TS.

[Lepaca]

To escape he learned "warpcraft" and apparently struck some kind of bargain with Slaanesh.

Also he has by that point already been thoroughly changed by Slaanesh, there is no way back for him.

 

Not completely unbelievable.

 

Mortarion accepted the offer of Nurgle to escape the Warp (at least Mortarion would have request also the permission to crush Typhus every time that he wanted...)

 

Magnus accepted the offer of Tzeentch to save the TS.

 

I didn't think it was unbelievable. It actually makes a lot of sense to me.

 

Also the fact that his next goal would be to become a Daemon himself makes sense to me, too.

Fulgrim has after all always been intrigued by the cycle of death and rebirth and rising from one's own ashes as something better and stronger.

[daveNYC]

Alternate take. When Fulgrim says that he's escaped and trapped the daemon in the painting, he's lying, and when Lucius says he recognizes Fulgrim as being the real Primarch of the III legion, what he means is that he recognizes that the Keeper of Secrets in Fulgrim's' body is the Primarch of what the Emperor's Children have become. Unposessed Fulgrim was the Primarch of the EC when they were crusading and on their quest for perfection, but the legion has now crossed over to where he can't or won't follow and the posessed Fulgrim is their lord now.

[KarkassBC]

To escape he learned "warpcraft" and apparently struck some kind of bargain with Slaanesh.

Also he has by that point already been thoroughly changed by Slaanesh, there is no way back for him.

 

Not completely unbelievable.

 

Mortarion accepted the offer of Nurgle to escape the Warp (at least Mortarion would have request also the permission to crush Typhus every time that he wanted...)

 

Magnus accepted the offer of Tzeentch to save the TS.

 

I didn't think it was unbelievable. It actually makes a lot of sense to me.

 

Also the fact that his next goal would be to become a Daemon himself makes sense to me, too.

Fulgrim has after all always been intrigued by the cycle of death and rebirth and rising from one's own ashes as something better and stronger.

 

Sorry, I read wrongly your words.

 

Fulgrim recieved the strenght to expel the deamon following Slaanesh (or Slaanesh simply call back the daemon). In this worship there is also the explanation why the rest of the Legion falled fastly in the path of corruption. The New Fulgrim allowed everything and also pushed them to taste every possible sensation.

[Billuriye]

Alternate take. When Fulgrim says that he's escaped and trapped the daemon in the painting, he's lying, and when Lucius says he recognizes Fulgrim as being the real Primarch of the III legion, what he means is that he recognizes that the Keeper of Secrets in Fulgrim's' body is the Primarch of what the Emperor's Children have become. Unposessed Fulgrim was the Primarch of the EC when they were crusading and on their quest for perfection, but the legion has now crossed over to where he can't or won't follow and the posessed Fulgrim is their lord now.

 

Then the inner dialogues between him and daemon don't make sense. Daemon constantly predates Fulgrim with vision of Ferrus. It's obvious it wants out.

[Dammeron]

It's not even necessarily so that he was deliberately or synthetically "warped" by Slaanesh or the influence of his daemons as such; if Fulgrim himself is to be believed, his experiences of both being possessed and contained within the painting allowed him a perspective and access to knowledge that he was always denied before; he has learned that true transcendence comes from transgression; from deliberately breaching parameters of behaviour, morality; cultural restriction and constraint. Slaanesh embodies that very concept; the evolution of consciousness that necessarily results from experience, whether that experience be deemed as appropriate or otherwise, "moral" or otherwise. It's not difficult to see how he could come to such conclusions if he shared his mind and body with a daemon of Slaanesh, which, again, is an embodiment of the very notion. It's also not a million miles away from his original philosophy of striving towards some abstract notion of perfection; the only difference is that the embodiment of perfection has changed; instead of the Emperor, it is Slaanesh; an entity of true divinity, that also promises transcendence to conditions that no servant of the Emperor or adherent of ideology as restrictive and conservative as that of the Imperium could ever conceive, much less attain.

 

Instead of being the victim he was originally set up to be, it seems that Fulgrim has come out of his treachery exceedingly well, very much akin to the likes of Lorgar, Angron and Mortarion, all of whom ultimately get what they want out of the Heresy.

[daveNYC]

Alternate take. When Fulgrim says that he's escaped and trapped the daemon in the painting, he's lying, and when Lucius says he recognizes Fulgrim as being the real Primarch of the III legion, what he means is that he recognizes that the Keeper of Secrets in Fulgrim's' body is the Primarch of what the Emperor's Children have become. Unposessed Fulgrim was the Primarch of the EC when they were crusading and on their quest for perfection, but the legion has now crossed over to where he can't or won't follow and the posessed Fulgrim is their lord now.

 

Then the inner dialogues between him and daemon don't make sense. Daemon constantly predates Fulgrim with vision of Ferrus. It's obvious it wants out.

 

Crapsack. Who has two thumbs and now needs to reread that story? This guy! (that'd be me)

[Raven Angel]

I don't think the Ferrus visions are the Deamon; I think its Ferrus who is hunting Fulgrum from inside his own head.