Balthamal Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Just had a lovely email off BL to tell me I can get my hands on this book (or ebook in my case) next week. http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/b...nced-ebook.html Have to say excited is an understatement since we get the technical follow up to Know No Fear and the direct sequel to Butcher's Nails and for those lucky enough to have read it, Aurelian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Is it just the ebook and hardback version that is out in December? I thought the release date had been pushed back to March 2013. EDIT: Actually nevermind, just read on ADB's blog that it's only the ebook and hardback. I wish SO much I could get this in hardback but it would screw up my HH books, can't have 20-odd paperbacks and a single hardback. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3255712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rime Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 'And a Primarch dies' Can't think who that might be off the top of my head. Anyone got any guesses according to the old fluff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3255758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJB Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Angron dies and is then reborn in daemonic form? The butchers nails are killing him after all... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3255764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clewz Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Well its fall rather than dies so probably does refer to Angron succumbing to Khorne Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3255775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 grumble grumble hardback garbage grumble grumble WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3255799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Well it's A D-B so I suspect this is going to be the first of the new style expensive Heresy books I'm going to buy when it first comes out rather than waiting for the paperback. He's worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3255800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Yea I have to agree with keith an Clewz that it's probably another demonic apotheosis then getting killed unless Vulcan shows up out of the blue. At this point I want to say that he is the only primarch who's fat is murky both in the HH novel story line and the old fluff. Everyone else lives till Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3255814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 It says a primarch will fall. Die Wounded Swapped sides Ascend to daemonhood Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3255873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Well we know that Lorgar doesn't ascend until after the Iron Cage... so what is meant here is either Angron's ascencion or something else entirely. I just hope that IF it is talking about Angron he will get to do more in his daemon form than Fulgrim in Angel Exterminatus did. :angry: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3256200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Maybe Roboute Guilliman will get wounded. Giving the Ultras another reason not to be at the battle of Terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3256205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Well, I seem to remember the old background saying that Angron was the first Primarch to ascend, and that he was a daemon prince when he reached Terra. I can only assume that this book will feature his ascension. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3256215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Traben Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I just pre-ordered it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3256232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rime Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 But they are rebuilding the Heresy. How much of the old fluff is now vailid? It would be a little sudden to have a Primarch assend to Daemonhood. This book isn't even really suppose to be revolving around Angron. And how boring would it be if the new Horus Heresy was an exact template of the old fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3256238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It would be a little sudden to have a Primarch assend to Daemonhood. So yeah about that... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3256244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It's A-D-B the plot will twist and turn like a twisty turny thing and be so cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel :D Let's face it A-D-B came up with the plot line that showed Lorgar to be not present at the battle for Calth and provided the reasoned argument that fitted this into the existing IP at the time. So I guess he's got a pretty good grasp of working new twists into the IP as it stands without breaking it, so this one should be a good un... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3256248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashnir Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Wikia's first pic on Angron is that of a daemonic form with a dead smurf in his hand. So I guess we can safely assume what happens. But it also states he was elevated after the heresy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3256265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepaca Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Well, I seem to remember the old background saying that Angron was the first Primarch to ascend, and that he was a daemon prince when he reached Terra. I can only assume that this book will feature his ascension. Does Betrayer take place before Angel Exterminatus then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3256306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Well, I seem to remember the old background saying that Angron was the first Primarch to ascend, and that he was a daemon prince when he reached Terra. I can only assume that this book will feature his ascension. Does Betrayer take place before Angel Exterminatus then? I'd say that they take place roughly at the same time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3256403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirnov Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I'm more interested if Betrayer takes place before, after or during Fear to Tread. In a discussion of Fear to Tread Dembski-Bowden mentioned that Amit was unavailable for Betrayer, but the end of Fear to Tread and Unremembered Empire rumors left me thinking that Lorgar and Angron come to screw everything after Sanguinius joins Big G. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267339-betrayer/#findComment-3257523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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