Rune Priests and Simmilar wargear.

[MeatGrinder]

Can a rune priest choose whether to weild a Rune staff, blade or axe?

 

And if so, can I give one priest a Runic axe, and another a Runic Stave, and circumvent the rule preventing characters from having the same wargear choices?

[Grimtooth]

Runic weapons are unique force weapons. It doesn't matter what they are equipped with as they are just user str and ap3 and hence would not fulfill the different wargear requirement.

[MeatGrinder]

Where does it state that? A weapon is only unusual if it has unique close combat rules, Runic weapons dont have anything differant from standard force weapons. Njals weapon is a force stave, as stated in the faq.

[eyeslikethunder]

A weapon is only unusual if it has unique close combat rules,

 

They wound daemons on a 2+

[Wulfebane]

Where does it state that? A weapon is only unusual if it has unique close combat rules, Runic weapons dont have anything differant from standard force weapons. Njals weapon is a force stave, as stated in the faq.

 

The rules for Runic Weapons in the codex (p. 36) state that "a runic weapon always wounds Daemon models on the role of a 2+."

 

Since that is clearly a close combat rule that is unique from force weapons, as they only have the Force USR on page 37 of the BRB, it is considered an unusual force weapon.

 

Njal's staff "of the stormcaller" is different from basic runic weapons as it grants him an additional +1 to psychic defense rolls and should not be considered the standard for comparison.

 

Also.. ninja'd by eyeslikethunder...

[MeatGrinder]

A weapon is only unusual if it has unique close combat rules,

 

They wound daemons on a 2+

 

Ahhhhhh, I missed that, thank you.

[Squark]

Actually, the answer is... Well, we need GW's call on this, frankly. There are arguments for and against both positions.

 

The argument for Runic Weapons as Unusual Force Weapons has already been mentioned, so I won't retread it. The argument against it has a couple of things;

 

1) The FAQ calls Njal Stormcaller's weapon a Runic Stave, suggesting RAI is that they use force weapon types

2) Furthermore, an argument can be made based on how the sentence is worded.

 

"A Runic Weapon is a Force Weapon. Furthermore..."

 

Compared to...

 

"A Relic Blade counts as a Power Weapon whose hits are resolved at Strength 6."

 

So, the argument goes that the Runic Weapons Force Weapon status is unrelated to it's additional properties because of the full stop.

 

So, long story short, ask your play group what they think. Personally I'm in the, "Runic Weapons are not unusual Force Weapons" camp, and a lot of people I know feel similarly, but the prevailing opinion on this board seems to be that they are unusual force weapons.

[Wulfebane]

So, the argument goes that the Runic Weapons Force Weapon status is unrelated to it's additional properties because of the full stop.

 

So, long story short, ask your play group what they think. Personally I'm in the, "Runic Weapons are not unusual Force Weapons" camp, and a lot of people I know feel similarly, but the prevailing opinion on this board seems to be that they are unusual force weapons.

 

Actually, no. 6E BRB trumps 5E codex in regards to RAI. As such, the BRB says that any force weapon with unique rules qualifies as an unusual force weapon. It doesn't say it has to be worded a certain way. The only thing that matters is whether it "has its own unique close combat rules," (p.60) for which our runic weapons do.

 

And before the argument branches, the reason BRB doesn't trump things like a Wolf Priest's or Long Fang sergeant's rules is that they are different rules than what are provided in the BRB (Oath of War vs Preferred Enemy or Fire Control vs Split Fire, etc)

[Hellrender]

Since its quite related, i had another question about weapon types.

 

Bran Redmaw, from forgeworld, states to have a Power Weapon with additional rules (+1 strenght). The description says its an axe, but it says power weapon. Does this mean this is a +3 strenght, ap unwieldy weapon, or a +1 trenght ap 3 weapon? How does that work?

[dswanick]

Since its quite related, i had another question about weapon types.

 

Bran Redmaw, from forgeworld, states to have a Power Weapon with additional rules (+1 strenght). The description says its an axe, but it says power weapon. Does this mean this is a +3 strenght, ap unwieldy weapon, or a +1 trenght ap 3 weapon? How does that work?

The Axe of Langnvast is a Power Weapon which adds +1 to a users Strength, and has other rules. So S:User+1, AP:3, Melee, Two-handed. You might be able to convince your group to play it as an Axe. In which case it would be S:User+2, AP:2, Melee, Unwieldy, Two-handed.

[Reichfaust]

...Njal’s staff acts as a runic weapon (stave)...

 

The precedent set by explicitly sayings that Njal's staff of the Stormcaller acts as "runic weapon (stave)" and not a "runic weapon that has the close combat profile of a force staff" implies that there are multiple kinds of runic weapons, therefore you can equip your priests with Rune Swords, Rune Axes, or Rune Staves.

[Hellrender]

Since its quite related, i had another question about weapon types.

 

Bran Redmaw, from forgeworld, states to have a Power Weapon with additional rules (+1 strenght). The description says its an axe, but it says power weapon. Does this mean this is a +3 strenght, ap unwieldy weapon, or a +1 trenght ap 3 weapon? How does that work?

The Axe of Langnvast is a Power Weapon which adds +1 to a users Strength, and has other rules. So S:User+1, AP:3, Melee.

 

Cool thanks a lot.

[dswanick]

...Njal’s staff acts as a runic weapon (stave)...

 

The precedent set by explicitly sayings that Njal's staff of the Stormcaller acts as "runic weapon (stave)" and not a "runic weapon that has the close combat profile of a force staff" implies that there are multiple kinds of runic weapons, therefore you can equip your priests with Rune Swords, Rune Axes, or Rune Staves.

No, because it explicitly states "Njal’s staff acts as a runic weapon (stave)", not "Runic Staves act as". It is giving you specific direction for a specific piece of named, unusual Wargear.

That said, by RAW, a "Runic Weapon (stave)" is an Unusual Force Weapon due to wounding daemons on 2+ and are still S:User, AP:3 regardless of appearance. So Njal's Staff is still S:U, AP:3 even though everyone can figure out the RAI of the FAQ. That will change if they release a Weapon Profile for the various Runic Weapons.

[Reichfaust]

Then why specify "stave" at all if a runic weapon is always S:User/AP3? They might as well have just said "Njal's staff acts as a runic weapon"--But they didn't. What I'm saying is that by adding a subcategory of "stave" onto runic weapon, we can take it that "runic weapon (axe)" and "runic weapon (sword)" exist as well; otherwise why specify?

 

PS: This entire argument is silly :) Can't wait for GW to FAQ this

[dswanick]

... otherwise why specify?

 

PS: This entire argument is silly :) Can't wait for GW to FAQ this

Not disagreeing with you.

That said, by RAW, ... even though everyone can figure out the RAI of the FAQ. That will change if they release a Weapon Profile for the various Runic Weapons.