IA: The Silver Wardens

[Arcadius Solisto]

Space Marine Chapter: Silver Wardens

 

- "We will save Mankind!"

- "Fear the Judgement of the Wardens!"

 

ORIGINS

 

Third founding chapter, created with the finality of chasing and capturing the Fallen Angels from their patron chapter, the Dark Angels.

With the approval of the Highlords of Terra, this chapter was founded and by the authority of the Chapter Master, given their sacred mission

of punishing the renegades of chaos.

 

BELIEFS

 

"The Emperor was the greatest human ever to live, but now he is dead, and he is no God..."

-Chapter Master Alexandros Imrick

 

The Wardens believe the Imperium is dying, but not because of the constant war or the xenos, they believe the Emperor is killing the Imperium

But not the Emperor in person, but what was made of him after the Horus Heresy, they follow the creed that the emperor is dead, and there is no reason

to keep him alive at the cost of thousands of lives, instead, he should be allowed to reach the immaterium so the Imperium may rise anew

 

They cultivate a hatred for the Ecclesiarchy and their beliefs, however, they are powerless to end them or their practice of brainwashing the minds

of the population to worship a fallen figure who is more decadent then the Imperium itself (in their own vision of course)

 

They despise the Imperial Government and the Inquisition, believing them to be trivial and unnecessary, secretly seeking to end this torment

however, their main objective is the same: to hunt down the Fallen Angels, and they won't let their beliefs get in the way

 

They also are not very fond of mutants and cultists, seeing them as a part of the same tumor as the Ecclesiarchy and the Inquisition

 

They see civilians as a waste of space, but this line of though does not drive them to shoot civilians willingly, only if they get in the way of their mission

 

Towards Xenos they are hostile as all Space Marines are, but they are more willing to work alongside them to reach their secret goals, since they

believe a neutral behaviour towards the more advanced Xenos (Such as Eldar and Tau) could bring benefits to the Imperium

 

Towards Chaos there is no words to describe the hate they share (Like all Loyalists)

 

 

ORGANIZATION

 

"We are chosen, we hold the key..."

- The Twins

 

The Wardens have basically the same organization as the Dark Angels, with a few changes:

 

-Since the tragic incident of the Lumian moon of Ithia, Chapter Master Alexandros Imrick had to be interred in a Dreadnought Sarcophagus, however, he was chosen

by the chapter council to remain as Chapter Master as long as he existed, being awake only in meetings, important decisions or battles due to his incredible prowess

in battle and for demonstrating unusual awareness even after being interred

 

-In the absence on the Grandwarden (Chapter Master) his two advisers are left in charge, Adviser Sigmund and Adviser Sigfried, both hold much of power

in the council and are held in the highest regards, due to their prowess both in politics and combat

 

-The High council is made by the Grandwarden, his advisers, and the Twins, the two chief librarians of the chapter, these two are unique in a way since

they share the same mind, meaning both are eternally connected, by unknown reasons, they share abilities and power, and always speak together

(annoying i know)

 

-Then there is the lower council, made up by all the Company Captains, these veterans moderate the decisions of the High Council and provide information

relevant to the chapter in their meetings, since they are out fighting more often than the High Council

 

 

HOMEWORLD

 

"You need to see, brother, not only look..."

- Captain of the 6th company, Archimedes Kyle

 

In the barren desertic feudal world of Lumia, under the light of it's matron star you'll find, in the middle of the desert, a gostly shimmer, aproach

and you'll see a gargantuan wall of hundreds of meter's high made purely of silver, shimmering like a sun on the land, however, if you cross the

gigantic gates, you'll see nothing but more desert, the gates surround a empty area, a closer look will reveal a small box in the center, you'll find

a button, press it and the full might of the chapter shall be revealed to you

Huge trap doors will open and reveal the Underground Fortress monastery of the Silver Wardens, hundreds of kilometers of underground passages, halls

rooms and facilities, that is the might of the chapter!

 

This is all I've though off so far, detail's will be posted as i mount the models and post pics of them too ^^

[Uaronain]

I was liking it till I got to the part about capturing the Fallen Angels. Why would they allow another chapter to hunt their own fallen? Does not seem like the Dark Angels would do IMO (but I am not a dark angel expert by any means)

 

 

 

I get to the part where you say this: "The Emperor was the greatest human ever to live, but now he is dead, and he is no God..."

-Chapter Master Alexandros Imrick

 

And all I can think is HERETIC!!!!!

 

Towards Xenos they are hostile as all Space Marines are, but they are more willing to work alongside them to reach their secret goals, since they

Believe a neutral behaviour towards the more advanced Xenos (Such as Eldar and Tau) could bring benefits to the Imperium ( more heresy)

I don’t want to bash at your DIY but they are renegades tasked with hunting other renegades who would be hunted by almost everything inside the imperium.

 

You have a homeworld but I do not see what system it is located in.

 

The high lords of terra consented to creating a new chapter to fight chaos renegades, but did they charge them with a particular place in general? The Dark Angels strive for absolution from the sins of millennia past. The dark angels hunt the fallen to restore their honor and trust in the eyes of the emperor. Do you see how much that conflicts with your chapter? It sounds like the Dark Angels would consider you fallen as well for sullying the undying emperors legacy.

 

I am not trying to be a downer but it is just not believable to me. Perhaps with more back story and more fluff you can make it happen.

[Messor]

I like the look of this so far, but though I don't agree with everything brother Uaronain said, he touched on some solid points:

 

In some ways (though I don't think the ones mentioned above), the Silver Wardens tread a line with heresy. The first thing that came to mind was their confusing divergence of policy with Imperial lives. They don't believe in the Emperor as a God,(which is ok, since few Chapters do. Heck, they would get along famously with my Alpha Hounds), and reject the Ecclisarchy(again, ok, because most Chapters do), but continue to fight for a 'better Imperium' and don't think the sacrifice of thousands a day to the Throne is worth it...but they consider civilians a waste of space. That's a stiff conflict of beliefs. No need to make 'em hug every widow and kiss every baby, but when a Chapter appears to have this attitude I tend to get really confused about exactly what they're fighting for, if not these civilians. Space Marines sure aren't the future of the Imperium, even forgetting about their myriad flaws. See where I'm going?

 

I was further troubled by the somewhat 'progressive' attitude towards Xenos(which I approve of), simply because the bit above combined with this made it almost seem like the Chapter had a better relationship with Xenos than the rest of humanity. So I would dial one up, or the other down.

 

Everything else I read, I enjoyed. The Dreadnought Master, the High Council, very cool. Like Uaronain said, it would be nice to know what part of space you work in. The Monastery in the sea of dunes, epic, though hundreds of kilometers seems pretty extensive for a thousand marines plus serfs, considering there are high schools less than a square kilometer in size for two to three thousand students. Add on facilities for weapons training, vehicle testing and manufacture, and I can see maybe a hundred kilometers...but then again that's just being picky. One thing for sure that I have to say though: I can't claim to know this bit of fluff as a fact, but I don't believe ships as large as battle barges can really land. The thrust needed to get them airborne again, let alone break a planets gravity, would be tremendous and in an underground facility, destructive. If there's fluff that contradicts that idea, please ignore this(and share it).

 

Uaronain, about the Dark Angels, pretty much all of their successor Chapters are tasked with hunting Fallen, since not only were the original Fallen half a legion in number, but many later DA successors have traitors of their own now to hunt.

[Uaronain]

Like I said I am no DA expert :P But my zeal as a Black templar player tends to tent everything I see with how that chapter feels, acts etc I know DIY and almost every other chapter is different in views than the BT, but to me I see the Imperium of Man an extension of the emperor, and SM are HIS angels of death, killing in his name etc Guess to me I take the god emperor differently than most; but that is a good thing. The galaxy would sure be boring if we all were the same.

[Arcadius Solisto]

I see what you say and here is the explanation

 

- all chapters descending from the Dark Angels are known as the Unforgiven, and they too are tasked with hunting the Fallen (or so i have read)

 

- they are being followed close by the Inquisition for their "heretical" beliefs, i have a fluff in development to explain why they haven't been declared excomunicate yet, but see this as : just because they believe doesn't mean they practice it, think of like a new member in a christian village that questions they dogmas, they think that this or that will help the Imperium due to some experiences they've passed, but that does not mean if a Tau ship comes near them they won't bash it to pieces with a thousand lasers and plasma (DAKKA!) and will invite them to have some tea in the golden throne room, but if they are in a planet, surrounded by chaos heretics, and group of Eldars for some reason lend a helping hand, they won't out of pride deny the aid

 

- Now that i read it it does sound confusing, let me clear out the civilians part, they think that the Psykers sacrificed could be used for diferent tasks, hence regular civilians should all fight to defend their homes, every single one, i hope that clears out a bit of it, it's confusing even to me XD

 

-OH MY GOD, i totaly forgot to say the system, sorry about that ^^ it's in the Segmentum Pacificus, near Athonos

 

-The Highlords told them to hunt all heretics they can find in the Segmentum Pacificus, but they answer to any call's their Unforgiven chapter's brother's may give

 

thanks for your feedback, trying to improve these guys at their most, even in their story

will post most of their story in a sec, need to think evenrything carefully not to fall on some mistakes Messor mentioned

[Messor]

Like I said I am no DA expert :P But my zeal as a Black templar player tends to tent everything I see with how that chapter feels, acts etc I know DIY and almost every other chapter is different in views than the BT, but to me I see the Imperium of Man an extension of the emperor, and SM are HIS angels of death, killing in his name etc Guess to me I take the god emperor differently than most; but that is a good thing. The galaxy would sure be boring if we all were the same.

 

100% true. Some Chapters still wholly believe they are His Angels of Death, others are more devoted to the Codex, or Guilliman and views, or the Imperium as a whole. Or in this case, the possibility of a revived Imperium.

[Arcadius Solisto]

Thank you guys for all the feedback you gave, really trying to improve, soon my Venerable Dreadnought model will arrive and so will my green stuff so i can start working on the chapter master

 

in case you missed it above, they are located in the Segmentum Pacificus, due to strategic positioning ^^

[NightrawenII]

Well, hell-o here. You have the unquestionable honour to be the second in my crusade against the plague of unbelief. Be glad or perish.

 

ORIGINS

Third founding chapter, created with the finality of chasing and capturing the Fallen Angels from their patron chapter, the Dark Angels.

With the approval of the Highlords of Terra, this chapter was founded and by the authority of the Chapter Master, given their sacred mission

of punishing the renegades of chaos.

- You see, to found a Chapter just for the purpose of Hunt of the Fallen is missing the point of this sacred duty; the Unforgiven hunt the Fallen in order to redeem themself. The only exception is Cypher and that's because he annoys the hell out of them. (And that duty is already taken by THE DISCIPLES OF CALIBAN)

 

BELIEFS

They despise the Imperial Government and the Inquisition, believing them to be trivial and unnecessary, secretly seeking to end this torment

however, their main objective is the same: to hunt down the Fallen Angels.

- Don't make me laugh. How is going the Imperium to work without it's vast bureaucracy?

- Ok, why would your Chapter continue to serve the Imperium, when they despise... almost everything about it?

 

and they won't let their beliefs get in the way

- What is the point of belief, when do you not act in accordance with it? ~ And here my friend, you have failed as the responsible author. Either the Silver Wardens follow their beliefs true and suffer the consequences OR they do not and then it's pointless to give them such creed. Do or Do not, young Jedi.

 

HOMEWORLD

even their fleet is landed underground, their one battle barge, the Fiery Embrace, sleeps in the clutches of the sands, ready

to lift off should it be needed, that is the might of the chapter!

*facepalm*

- Really? Except only the escorts can land and lift off the planet.

 

In summary:

The Silver Wardens are bunch of spiteful and hateful guys, who fights for the things they hate for unknown reason(s).

 

*shakes head*

 

That's, objectively said, terrible. What are you going about it?

 

 

Like I said I am no DA expert :D But my zeal as a Black templar player tends to tent everything I see with how that chapter feels, acts etc I know DIY and almost every other chapter is different in views than the BT, but to me I see the Imperium of Man an extension of the emperor, and SM are HIS angels of death, killing in his name etc Guess to me I take the god emperor differently than most; but that is a good thing. The galaxy would sure be boring if we all were the same.

 

100% true. Some Chapters still wholly believe they are His Angels of Death, others are more devoted to the Codex, or Guilliman and views, or the Imperium as a whole. Or in this case, the possibility of a revived Imperium.

100% wrong.

The Adeptus Astartes fights for the Emperor (Ideal), Imperium, Mankind or a random combination of the aforementioned. The moment they lose sight of this holy trinity entirely, then it's game over and the Chapter turns renegade (Chaos in most cases, because the Chaos has much to offer to Space Marine). Why would you strive, suffer and die for something you don't believe in? And be sure, that the life of Adeptus Astartes is full of toil, misery and death.

 

 

~NightrawenII.

[Arcadius Solisto]

Your pathetic attempt to sound official is what is making me laugh sir, and it's a shame you can't present the flaws in my writing friendly, instead chosing to humiliate me, "be glad to perish"? this forum is going far with people like you in it

 

but here is the explanation for what you pointed

 

-If founding a chapter just to hunt the fallen is a waste of time and a missing point, tell that to the DA who have like 5 chapters doing that

 

-the Imperium worked very very fine without all this ridiculous bureaucracy, just by following their emperor (and you can't deny his word was absolute)

 

-Think that you have a duty, to hunt the fallen, but you believe is something, the Imperium is in ruins and dying, but, that simple belief of inquisitorial hating is not going to stop you from hunting the fallen, learn to read...

 

-the fleet part is rubbish i admit, happy mister "i know all"?

 

-They believe in the IMPERIUM, as it was before, following a LIVING emperor, with PURPOSE, without all the corruption and bureaucracy

 

It saddens me to see such a poorly executed attempt, even though i admire your intentions, you simply lost by assuming you are above, few tips, be nicer next time, learn to read, and dig deeper before you simple bash senseless things, and if you can't do this, simply don't say anything and go climb a mountain or something, the internet life is not for you...

 

shame on you...

[Wulfebane]

Having seen some of his other posts, all things considered he was probably rather reserved. Once my DIY is finished, personally I hope he does rip it to shreds. Atleast then I'll see some mistakes or things that need better explanation that kinder, less brutally honest people would omit.

 

... and in all fairness, you can't post something creative on the internet without expecting someone to walk in and piss on it. That said, I don't know enough about DA to comment upon, but for the underground fortress, I like it in principle. Though having it completely underground then makes no sense to have a kilometers-high wall to guard a corny little button on a primitive planet. Not to mention the feasibility - should you press it, it would take massive bay doors ages to open, not a "moment's notice". And once opened, where does the sand go, and how do they put it back once closed?

[NightrawenII]

Your pathetic attempt to sound official is what is making me laugh sir, and it's a shame you can't present the flaws in my writing friendly, instead chosing to humiliate me, "be glad to perish"? this forum is going far with people like you in it

I don't care if I sound official or not. And I'm not here to humiliate you, I just think this attempt of yours is terrible, both in ideas and execution and could be, with a little effort improved. Of course, if you don't want, that's your fight, not mine and I will stop wasting my time.

 

-If founding a chapter just to hunt the fallen is a waste of time and a missing point, tell that to the DA who have like 5 chapters doing that

Except these Chapters don't exist solely to hunt the Fallen and with one exception, none was founded just for that. The Hunt of the Fallen is additional duty, between the Unforgiven and Emperor. Pay attention to DA's lore...

 

-the Imperium worked very very fine without all this ridiculous bureaucracy, just by following their emperor (and you can't deny his word was absolute)

Really? Then how come the Council of Terra, a proto-High Lords of Terra, was estabilished prior to Horus Heresy? :)

 

-Think that you have a duty, to hunt the fallen, but you believe is something, the Imperium is in ruins and dying, but, that simple belief of inquisitorial hating is not going to stop you from hunting the fallen, learn to read...

That's the point, my dense friend.

Like I said above, the Hunt of the Fallen is additional duty. In fact, it's not even duty. The Unforgiven do this entirely because they want (note the Angels of Absolution), not because they must. It's their silent (and secret) agreement. Meanwhile, all of them serve the Imperium, whenever it's their might needed. And now you come, with your rather weak knowledge of the Unforgiven and Imperium as whole, and start to talk how your Chapter must hunt the Fallen, because... wait for it... it's their duty, hurrr. That's nonsense. Case, when the result turned into reason, like some kind of senseless magic circle; -We hunt the Fallen. -Why? -Because we hunt the Fallen. Ahem, but what?

Learn first, why the Unforgiven hunt the Fallen.

 

-They believe in the IMPERIUM, as it was before, following a LIVING emperor, with PURPOSE, without all the corruption and bureaucracy

... and are still loyal = hypocrisy

 

It saddens me to see such a poorly executed attempt, even though i admire your intentions, you simply lost by assuming you are above, few tips, be nicer next time, learn to read, and dig deeper before you simple bash senseless things, and if you can't do this, simply don't say anything and go climb a mountain or something, the internet life is not for you...

 

shame on you...

No, it saddens me to see such poorly executed attempt of the Unforgiven Chapter, without any present knowledge of the Unforgiven. It looks like you have not read, or just negligently, the Unforgiven lore and then kitbashed this Chapter of yours in one act of haste. Maybe the internet life is not for me, but you have no idea to whom you talk. :tu:

 

 

~NightrawenII.

[Arcadius Solisto]

Look "friend", you failed to convince me that what i wrote is as bad as you claim it is, it is not perfect i know, but it's not the "junk" you claim, so if you will, pointing out miskates that to my eyes do not exist, without proper arguments will not convince me to change it

 

-if the other chapter do not only hunt the fallen... what else they do?

 

"The leadership and veteran Space Marines of each Unforgiven Chapter swears an oath that they will not again know the forgiveness of the Emperor for the Chapter's disloyalty during the Horus Heresy until every one of the Fallen has repented their crime or received the Emperor's justice. However, the Marines of the Unforgiven who have learned this secret will pursue this quest to the exclusion of all other duties..." - http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Unforgiven

 

-the Council was made pré horus heresy indeed, but after the great crusade, that is the time i'm talking about, when they were fighting for a cause, not just struggling to keep a corpse alive, they are not hypocrites... they just say that maybe they can make the difference one day

 

But really, i can't prove to you that i did research the DA and it's chapters, still, i don't have to, if you really wish to continue pissing on other people's stuff, fine go ahead, but this crusade of yours is pathetic, i'd advise you to try a more gentle approach, instead of completely discouraging people to post their ideas here

Being brutal like this is ridiculous, i'm certain if you try... maybe your "crusade" will have more hope of success

you want people to improve? (whitch i believe is your objective) try at least mixing compliment to critic, instead of stomping everything, try that just once... you might be surprised

 

as for you Wulfebane, thanks for your feedback, and your opinion is yours and i respect it, even though i despise characters like this one, and as for the walls, they are to deceive, mainly to make people think there is something great behind there, and the frustration of seeing nothing would make them go away (basically that is it), the hundreds of kilometers is wrong too i forgot to change that sorry XD, the doors do open slowly (takes around 10 mins to open) and they are not so huge, and air vents push the sand away and back to cover the bay doors

[NightrawenII]

-if the other chapter do not only hunt the fallen... what else they do?

 

"The leadership and veteran Space Marines of each Unforgiven Chapter swears an oath that they will not again know the forgiveness of the Emperor for the Chapter's disloyalty during the Horus Heresy until every one of the Fallen has repented their crime or received the Emperor's justice. However, the Marines of the Unforgiven who have learned this secret will pursue this quest to the exclusion of all other duties..." - http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Unforgiven

Ah, I see the problem now. You are using second-hand source instead of the prime, the Codex: Dark Angels. ^_^

 

What do you think the Unforgiven do? Let's see:

"Although the Chapter will be called upon for many different missions for the Imperium, the search for their Fallen comrades is a constant quest that they can never relinquish."

~ Codex: Dark Angels, 3rd edition, page 5

 

"In the last ten millennia, the Unforgiven have conducted their primarch's tradition of conducting particularly effective and well-planned campaigns, although there exist instances where an Unforgiven Chapter has failed to support Imperial Forces when requested to do so. On occasion, the Unforgiven have abadoned a campaign at a critical juncture with no reason being offered to explain why, leaving entire armies to be slaughtered and whole worlds burn. Some claim that the Chapters have some hidden agenda to which they give priority even over service to the Emperor himself. Even when they fight alongside other forces, the Dark Angels keep their own counsel, communicating little with their allies, and brooking no interference in their own mission."

~ Codex: Dark Angels, 4th edition, page 10

 

"The Dark Angels have been at the forefront of many of the most historic wars fought throughout the long, bloodstained history of the Imperium of Man. Their actions, along with other celebrated Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes, have shaped the nature of the Imperium. History speaks of the Chapter in the same passages as such noted Chapters as the Ultramarines, the Blood Angels and the Space Wolves, and their name and that of their Primarch is known across a million worlds and more."

~ Codex: Dark Angels, 4th edition, page 19

 

I can't be bothered to quote all the battles on pages 19-21.

 

"The Angels of Vengeance are known for their unrelenting hatred of any and all enemies of the Imperium, and are thus extremely proactive in seeking out and attacking the alien, the traitor and the servant of Chaos."

~ Codex: Dark Angels, 4th edition, page 74

 

"The Guardians of Covenant are an Unforgiven Chapter whose adopted homeworld lies close to the western rim of the Imperium. The Chapter has fought many battles along the marches of Segmentum Pacificus and has spearheaded a number of crusades into the Halo Stars. The GotC gained special honours for their deeds during the Lelith incursion..."

~ Codex: Dark Angels, 4th edition, page 74

 

 

So what do you think? Is this enough or you still want to insist on your misguided assumption that the Unforgiven only hunt the Fallen? Of course, you don't have to belive me, but then again you can go HERE, to forum dedicated to the Dark Angels and their successors, and ask the people here. I bet, they would be more than willing to aswer all of your questions concerning the Unforgiven.

 

they just say that maybe they can make the difference one day

... and that makes them hypocrites. See dictionary:

Hypocrisy - The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess.

 

It is their belief to disagree with everything the Imperium stands for, yet they are loyal to the very Imperium.

 

So either SW agree with current state of Imperium, as would their loyalty to the regime suggest OR all these words about stupid and senseless Imperium is just empty talk and thus hypocrisy.

 

Edit:

Or let me say it in other way; What keeps your Chapter from going to Terra and switch off the Golden Throne?

 

you want people to improve? (whitch i believe is your objective) try at least mixing compliment to critic, instead of stomping everything, try that just once... you might be surprised

I compliment things, which earns my recognition. Show me something I could compliment and I will do that with gusto.

 

 

~NightrawenII

[Arcadius Solisto]

Alright, so let me get this straight, all i read about the DA and the Unforgiven is bull?

 

oh lol i feel stupid now, hahahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHA

 

wow man sorry, i lost my mind back there, only if i knew that, still i'd say you could use a more, lets say, gentle approach, now, since i finaly saw the wrong here, help me out, how do i make my guys still with their beliefs, but not hypocrits anymore, without turning them renegade?

 

again sorry, my bad and mistake

[Wulfebane]

how do i make my guys still with their beliefs, but not hypocrits anymore, without turning them renegade?

 

Space Wolves constantly push the envelope in regards to what the Inquisition would deem a sanctionable action, and they could care less what they think. SW are not opposed to go against the Inquisition when they feel they're in the right. In this way, I think they provide a sense of "The Inquisition is without honor, so we'll follow our own path" feeling that breeds dissent with them. Additionally, since their faith views Rune Priests as psykers with powers derived from the spirits of Fenris and NOT from the Warp, their attitude toward other psykers/Librarians, and possibly the Ecclesiarchy, is also perhaps in ill-favor. About the only factions the Wolves seem to not have outright issue with are the AdMech (maybe b/c they don't fully understand the machine spirit like their isolated Iron Priests do, and hold it in a sense of awe).

 

It could help that they have perhaps the only Loyalist soul (afaik; announced by GW) to have fought alongside the Emperor and Primarch - Bjorn. When he's awakened to tell of historical events, he can reach back before the Golden Throne, to a time where things were different, and which could easily influence the Wolves and their views with the current Imperium, keeping them grounded with morals and principles which better fit an earlier era.

[War Angel]

this chapter strikes me as really weird. it seems like there a pit bull that you personaly are keeping on a leash. they dont like most of mankind, but there still basicly loyal. its like youve given us a bunch of information about there dislike of these people and these people and these people, but in the end it doesnt mater because they dont really act upon it.

 

why not just let go of the leash and let the poor dog go Rebel. think of it like this, if you let youre chapter go rebel space marines, you dont have to be "against" the imperium. you just have such outlandish thoughts that if anyone important knows about it, you would be attacked. youre outlook would be "kill these orks, kill the nids, those eldar arnt too bad as long as we dont date their women, hey look, some Chaos. drop everything were doing we gota go waist them all" and then when the humans thank you for saving them you'd just be like "whatever, stay away from me or ill kill you" or maybe youve had a rough day and you kill him anyway.

 

youre guys already dislike so much of the imperium, why tie yourself to them any more than you absolutly need to.

[Arcadius Solisto]

We like the emperor XD, but i like your idea, i particularly hate the Imperium enough to make them rogue, it's an idea to consider, but wouldn't we be considered fallen angels too? hunted by the DA? (which i love more than most chapters)

loved the insight of a rebel marine thoughs too XD

[War Angel]

to clear up what i was saying in my last post (i didnt realise i walked into a potential war zone lol) im saying go renegade, but dont run around blabing about it. you know, keep it on the down low. it is after all the imperium that supplys you with tanks and bullets.

[War Angel]

yeah you would be hunted. by any one who knew you were a heritic to think such thoughts.

 

many many many times ive noted chaos space marines to talk about the "corpse-Emperor" and how loyalist worship the false god. they also consider themselves the good guys, wanting to kill the emperor to free mankind from his "false" rule (seeing as hes not really a god"

 

whats the differnce in the chaos doing that, and youre marines, who love the emperor, but consider him dead. the only differnce is you want mankind to stop waisting resources on keeping him around, when hes not really there. these two ideas are VERY similar if you consider it, and while you arnt going to go ape:cuss and start murdering civilians, you may have some disdane for them and consideryouselves better than them and may turn youre back from them from time to time.

[Arcadius Solisto]

So let me get this straight, go renegade, meaning "screw the Imperium", but still stay on their side? like assisting human worlds and stuff, but if the inquisition comes nosing in, bullets for them? if other space marines come to nose in, bullets for them? if the emperor comes nosing in, allow, cuz he's the freaking emperor... or bullets for him? i don't get it XD

 

and relax the war is over ^^

[War Angel]

if you dont mind, ill go ahead and write a little snipit, feel free to use as much or little as you like, its just the easyist way for me to paint the madness thats in my head for you to see.

 

"the silver wardens were founded to guard the imperiam of mankind, and they secretly hunt the fallen. it is their love of the fallen Emperor, and hatred of the chaos traitors who slew him, that drives them to continue combating the foes of mankind. the chapter could care less of the pleas from the helpless masses, often forgoing distress calls in order to search for a foe they belive to be more deserving. should they assist a world in need, it would behoove of the locals to stay clear of the Warriors, for the Silver Wardens have no remorse for the saftey of anyone outside of the chapter. prayers towards the emperor for their salvation only anger the Warriors, seeing his warship as a distructive and blasphamus act toward's the greatest mortal who ever lived."

 

does that give you a better idea? youre not going to say "oh hey that planets got a huge church that millions pilgramage to for warshiping the emperor, lets go blow it up" but if some civilian thanks you for saving his home by saying emperor bless you, you might just shove his head though a wall in passing. kind of passivly agressive. should you be saving any civilians, its only coincidence. youre just there to kill the people who ruined the imperium you loved, not to save the new imperium.

 

you would either avoid the inquisition, or just not say anything damning towards yourselve. think kinda like the goth kids at school, you dont stick youre neck out for smaller kids, but youre not picking on them either. youre just there, waiting for the next class. teacher walks by, nothings going on, so you dont get asked questions. the inquisition only sees you blow up some xenos, i have no idea how that cleric got shot by a bolter, he must have ran into my line of fire.

[Arcadius Solisto]

HAHAHAHA genius, loved this idea, thanks a lot, poor cleric XD

serious, very decent idea, solves most of my problems ^^

[War Angel]

some other little things i would like to point out to you. some may have been mentioned earlyer.

 

in youre origins section you mention the chapter was created to chase and capture the fallen. (dont they typicaly try to kill the fallen? or have them admit to their sin before killing them?

 

while the chapter would be doing this, its not why they would be created. the high lords of terra are responsable for the foundings, and as such would know nothing of the fallen. i think most chapters are created with the mission of "make this area more safe" some are probably given more direction, "hey were giving you alot of ships, stay mobile and fleetbased" or "heey, we want you to take this world as youre homeworld" (im not 100% on that one, i think homeworlds might be earned not given)

 

about youre homeworld. i think you can describe it better. right now it sounds like a ridle, also why have a button? any ships comming in would just contact the air traffic control unit and give the appropriate code and they would activate it. or other more secure methods than a button. lol

 

but however you should decide to have youre base open, it would make the most sense to have the doors only be the size of the largest vessel thats going to be comming and going from the base to the fleet in orbit. only ship i can think of that marines use is the thunderhawk, but they might have some other slightly larger ship. i think maybe having a few doors this size would mean that you can rapidly launch a number of vessels. also because the doors arnt the size of a battle ship, youll be able to open them easyer.

 

just a few minor things in my opinion, but they give a little more realisim.

[Arcadius Solisto]

I see, i'll have to re-think all the stuff, i'll post the modified one later this week, now that i found out there is actually a Dark Angels Codex... i'll read it and re-post, nice suggestions guys, thanks a lot