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Firepower Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 These need a whole mess of work. I'm not trying to be harsh or cruel or crap in your cornflakes, so don't get mad at all the points to follow please. I only want to help you out. The arms you chose are goofy. Way, way too big for the bodies their attached to. If you really want mutated blade arms I'd recommend taking them of something from the same size range as the Space Marines, like a Gaunt, or a Possessed Marine bit. The basecoats are rough. The blue fella needs depth in a lot of spaces, which a heavy wash or two would be good for. On both him and the wolf rider, you should paint details like the cord and necklace as something different~ they're not part of the armor itself. Whereas the silver fellow's basecoat is...odd. It looks spotty, like what one would get from using a spraypaint can on its last legs. Could also use a wash to dull down the freckled appearance and add much needed depth. As for the yellow guy, it seems like you actually did use a wash, which is a good. But afterward, you want to go back and paint yellow over the raised portions again to make for a flat, neat finish. As is, it's a bit blotchy and messy. Again, details like the belt, necklace, ribbing and such are best painted another color than the base yellow. There's no use to having a detailed model if you don't bring out the details in paint. Painting the neck on him black or silver would be good too, as Marine necks are generally covered in the soft armor sleeve that you see in their joints. Don't leave flat black bits flat. I'm referring here to the feet and arm of the blue fellow. Highlighting black is actually fairly easy, and looks a whole lot better in the end. A 50:50 mix of Black and dark gray will make a decent, subtle highlight that you can paint onto edges. The wolf looks as though you drybrushed? Also good, that's a useful skill to develop and helps a lot on rough models like that. if you feel ambitious, try giving it an all over wash of black to dull down the contrast, then a much, much lighter drybrush over that to make a more blended effect. The cape is also an interesting touch. I can't tell for sure what it's made of, but is there anyway you can shape it a bit so it looks less static? Thin paints. That's a painting 101 lesson. It's slower, which makes it more annoying and harder to force yourself to do, but doing three thin coats will always look better than one thick coat. And finally, mold lines. Mold lines everywhere. Before painting, always try to shave off any mold lines. The worst are those bits where the pieces were cut, like the top of the bayonet on the yellow guy's bolter or the top of the exhausts on the blue guy's backpack. No matter how good the paintjob, mold lines can easily ruin it. Whew. That's a lot, I know. And it isn't meant to be harsh or crush your will to paint or anything like that. They look a lot like my first models when I started out, and I could've used advice like this instead of learning through experience, but forums were a different beast back then. I'm not trying to rain on your parade, I'm just saying what you can learn to become a better painter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogan Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Okay. I know people are going to hate me for this; it seems that nobody wants to read any kind of negative criticism any more (which surprised me hugely when I first found out that we Germans appear to be a lot more straightforward than the average English speaker). Last time I left a comment on how I didn't like something, I was accused of jealousy and what not. Heck, I was even sent nasty PMs from guys that didn't even have to do with anything xD Blue guy: a Space Wolf with a tyranid arm. And far from well-painted. At first, I didn't want to comment on your style of painting, because one can't expect every hobbyist to have 10+ years of painting experience. BUT. Some parts of the miniature were simply left out - or so it seems to me. Silver guy: worse even. To my mind, he looks like a random collection of bits. And the fur coat was not a good idea - real life size cloth just doesn't look good on miniatures. Yellow guy: I don't like him. Starting off with the pose, which looks like it shifted from "epic look" to "I wanted it to look epic, but somehow..." Also, I can see mold lines on most of your miniatures. If I were you and wanted a special sword (along with mutations), I'd cut a blade from plasticard and sculpt some GS details. GS also is perfect for coats/capes and fur, there is an incredible amount of great tutorials on the internet (also on BnC). On top of that, I would advise you to read a tutorial or two on painting (especially darkshading and highlighting); it seems to me that you painted a basic layer over a black coat and called it a day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don the Oiler Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I think they'd make a great radical Ordo Xenos/Deathwatch team (If there is such a thing). But they do look a little overloaded, to the point where i wonder how you managed to make the Swarmlord mini stand upright without glueing it to the table. They could use a little refinement, just consider some of my previous writer's suggestions and it shouldn't require too much time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schultzhoffen Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Rogan and Firepower have made some great points. You'll only get better if you take good advice on board and keep painting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Validar Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Wow, people actually taking time to evaluate work and give advice that will improve the OPs painting skills! Impressive, hope you're learning something and will show us where you land, DK1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Wow, people actually taking time to evaluate work and give advice that will improve the OPs painting skills! :) What's with the shocked and awed reaction to CnC in the painting subforum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omo667 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 These need a whole mess of work. I'm not trying to be harsh or cruel or crap in your cornflakes, finally real man has spoken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melekharn Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Finally some critique! I've slowed down my posting of models because nobody would give good, genuine critique! Everyone sugar-coated their comments. Might have to direct you guys to my thread when I stop being so lazy! Anyways, to the OP: I have to agree with the comments of the models being over-done. The weapons, while a cool concept, are too big for the models. Perhaps the use of a Tyranid warriors scrything talon for the sword - It'd be a more realistic scale for the model. As for the Daemon Weapon, I think even an Inquisitor would be put to flame once mutation started to take root. While some radicals believe in using Chaos against Chaos, the puritans would have a very good case against them once their collegue grew horns and extra limbs. There is a pretty awesome looking sword (or even a couple of awesome axes) on the Chaos knights kit that would fit the bill perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omo667 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 where are the photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Removed :( Is this a 'Removed because I've put them back n the workbench to touch up?' Or a 'Removed because I didn't like what I was told?' I hope it's the former. It'd be a shame if yet another aspiring painter focused too much on the 'criticism' in 'constructive criticism.' Like I said before, we're here to help, brother. If mistakes don't get pointed out, they never get fixed. -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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