Former Colour Schemes?

[Emperor's Furor]

Do you think any of the other Legions will be revealed to have a previous colour scheme like the War Hounds and Dusk Raiders had? I think I'm going to hold off on making my decision what legion I'm going to do, everytime some new info comes down I get loads of enthuasim for them but that dies by the time the next piece of info comes out, so it got me wondering whether there will be any other surprises in regards to former colours schemes.

[Olis]

I doubt it (except for the Word Bearers). Each of the Legions shown to have changed colour scheme so far has been known of for years, if not decades. It isn't any surprise. We've yet to see the Word Bearers get the Forge World treatment but it's public knowledge that they were called the Imperial Heralds, so they're going to be the only other Legion that'll get the opportunity to show off it's former colours, I reckon.

[Emperor's Furor]

I doubt it (except for the Word Bearers). Each of the Legions shown to have changed colour scheme so far has been known of for years, if not decades. It isn't any surprise. We've yet to see the Word Bearers get the Forge World treatment but it's public knowledge that they were called the Imperial Heralds, so they're going to be the only other Legion that'll get the opportunity to show off it's former colours, I reckon.

 

That was my thought, but I was thinking the other legions might of had previous names and colours, I can't imagine the blood angels were always called that and had blood red armour before hand.

[Olis]

Well, according to Betrayal, before each Legion had a proper name, they were known by their numerical designation. So, I think, some Legions only ever found one name while others went through at least one other iteration (I say "at least" because the Luna Wolves changed their name twice). To me all the other Legions took one particular name and pretty much stuck with it. I'd be surprised if Alan Bligh decided to rock the boat on that issue - I think he's far more sensible than that.

[Rider-75]

The previously revealed Warhounds colour scheme isn't the same as the what is revealed as an even earlier colour scheme (almost the reverse of the previous blue n white) so I wouldn't be surprised to see at least a few other changes along the way - there are another 14 legions to go through after all.

[Don the Oiler]

I wouldn't be surprised if there were to come new old colour schemes in future Heresy books, for the simple fact that Forgeworld has come up with some awesome schemes that should be worthy of a first founding legion. Seriously, the Red Scorpions, Astral Claws and Executioner colours look awesome if properly done, and the one Dusk Raider picture from Betrayal shows they still got potential. Maybe it's because the older schemes were mostly about one primary colour i don't know. The Unification Wars may have been pretty colourless, but i'm still hoping for some Great Crusade / pre-Primarch unification schemes.

[Kastor Krieg]

Somewhere in HH it's said, I think about the Death Guard or Sons of Horus, that just like any other Legion, they had to EARN their proper name AND colours. Beforehand, everyone was just ashen, grayish, legio numeration the only distinction. I think the quote was about DG, because it had underlined that Mortarion's Legion has basically kept it this way throughout, with their utilitarian liking for things unadorned.

[Raven Angel]

Dark Angles changed during the Crusade working mor greens and bone whites into the Heraldry. Imperial Fist where known to have elaborate personal heraldry on their armor too.

[Arachnid99]

Dark Angles changed during the Crusade working mor greens and bone whites into the Heraldry. Imperial Fist where known to have elaborate personal heraldry on their armor too.

 

As far as the Imperial Fists are concerned only Sigismund and his Templars are confirmed to have elaborate personal heraldry, I haven't read it in relation to any one else.

[Count the7]

Originaly all the Legions were indistiguishable in Grey Armour and known only by the Numeral

 

(a bit like our own history where eventualy Roman legions earnt nick names to go with there Numeral. or the british army where old Numbered Red coated Regiments over a few Hundred years eventualy had there Numerels replaced with now official titels such as "The Black Watch", "The Green Howards", "The Buffs" and the "Royal Irish Rangers")

 

So the 1st Legion would have quickly marked them selves as the Senior Legion by adopting Black Armour (Like the senior 1st Companys of subsiquent chapters and legions)

 

The 3rd Legion may also have been in grey untill the Emperor bistowed upon them the Aquila and the rite to where the Imperial Colour

 

The Imperial Heralds, Space Wolves still wore the Grey, The former until as Word Bearers they would show there true colours, and the later untill at some point they turn Blue Grey.

 

Most of the name/colour changing happened during the unification wars all the way to the end of the Heracy.

 

Its just a case of which legion and when. Imagen a Grey MK II Armour Clad Company of Terrans With the Number 3 on there Pauldrons droping out of a warp storm and seeing what had happened to there Legion?

[Arkangilos]

Originaly all the Legions were indistiguishable in Grey Armour and known only by the Numeral

 

(a bit like our own history where eventualy Roman legions earnt nick names to go with there Numeral. or the british army where old Numbered Red coated Regiments over a few Hundred years eventualy had there Numerels replaced with now official titels such as "The Black Watch", "The Green Howards", "The Buffs" and the "Royal Irish Rangers")

 

So the 1st Legion would have quickly marked them selves as the Senior Legion by adopting Black Armour (Like the senior 1st Companys of subsiquent chapters and legions)

 

The 3rd Legion may also have been in grey untill the Emperor bistowed upon them the Aquila and the rite to where the Imperial Colour

 

The Imperial Heralds, Space Wolves still wore the Grey, The former until as Word Bearers they would show there true colours, and the later untill at some point they turn Blue Grey.

 

Most of the name/colour changing happened during the unification wars all the way to the end of the Heracy.

 

Its just a case of which legion and when. Imagen a Grey MK II Armour Clad Company of Terrans With the Number 3 on there Pauldrons droping out of a warp storm and seeing what had happened to there Legion?

 

Do you have a source for this?

[Count the7]

Primary Curent source is Horus Heresy Book one, Betrayal. Page 27, "The Grey Legions"

 

If you take the Logical Steps as to why Legions would Change Colours,

 

The 14th Legions First step was to Repaint there Right Arms out of Tradition from the Geografical and Tribal location of there recrutment on terra.

 

the 16th Legion adopted white armour, assumed at the time they took the Name Luna Wolves (maybe to match the colour of the Moon)

 

The Pre Heresy Space wolves are known to wear the Grey, Prahaps its just coincidence that is the Grey discribed in the book?

 

Now as for the 1st, when the Lion was found they were all ready in black (even Astalan was confused when he ran in to a Caliban Chapter Master with Green Paint).

 

Any understanding of Military history would show a primacy of unit seniority based upon its Number or date of Founding where be it Roman Legions, Nepolionic Regiments of the Line or Panzer Grenadier Regiments. (The 1st of Foot, the Royal Scots will all ways have Senioraty over the 95th of foot, the Rifles for example).

 

we all ready know that the 16th Legions 1st Company is in Black armour and other Units have diferent Colours for Senior Companys. so why wouldent the first Legion have Black Armour as a Symbol of its position as the First Legion?

 

We know that The First Company of the IF adopts Black when they Become the Black Templars.

[Emperor's Furor]

Dusk Raiders painted ther arms red as two fingers up to the former warlord that controlled most of the world (The Unspeakable King) the red right hand used to represent his justice.

[Count the7]

The Dusk Raiders recruted from Albia, The book sugests Two reasons for the red Right Arm, both due to the area and Tribe they came from. in the end they were the "Bloody Right Arm" of the Emperor.

 

The Emperors Children were not Oficialy called that or allowed to paint there armour purple untill after Fulgrim was found (Though they did have the Palitine Aquila)

 

Would be nice to know when and why the others Changed Colour.

[Beef]

They changed their colours when they changed loyalty (and in the loyalist case after the EMP died) because they were finally free to choose whatever colour they liked. Just like kids growing up finally choosing their own clothes,

 

before that the EMP chose their clothes, I meen colours.

[Count the7]

They changed their colours when they changed loyalty (and in the loyalist case after the EMP died) because they were finally free to choose whatever colour they liked. Just like kids growing up finally choosing their own clothes,

 

before that the EMP chose their clothes, I meen colours.

 

Nope The Ultras, Alphas and Night Lords were already in Blue, the 12th were in Blue and White when Angron was found, Salamanders were Green Ect way before the Herasy.