Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 did anyone know about the the space wolves flaw i mean if sainguinius was a afraid to tell his father about his legions flaw cause of the fear being expunged from imperial records why did the wolves get to live i mean dont get me wrong i love the SW but seems a bit unfair they called the thousand sons abominations when they have the same flaws Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 just not psychic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3264623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Because Emperor put that Canine DNA in SW geneseed himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3264637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarkassBC Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 All the flaws inside every Primarch and Legion were inserted by the Emperor (maybe except the wings for Sanguinius, but they seem too much complex to think a random result from warp exposure). The only difference between TS turned in warp spawns and SW wulfen is the second type keep some comprehension between enemies and allies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3264682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 The only difference between TS turned in warp spawns and SW wulfen is the second type keep some comprehension between enemies and allies. thats true, wulfen keep some comprehention of allies.. The Wulfen are like the death company, they keep very little comprehension between friend and foe, they just rip to shred anything that comes in their way bar a few exception, notably like the DC the wulfen tend not to eat their wolf priests. also they have been known to bow down to particularly strong alpha Space wolves such as the company wolf Lord or other really strong willed SW company members who are not full wulfen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3265348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezeriel Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 If you go with the thinking that the SW are the Emperor's "executioners", then he knows and allows the wulfen so that the SW can fulfill their role. Not everyone likes and agrees with that thinking, so maybe they were tolerated because while its a mutation its a more stable, predictable mutation. While the TS mutation seemed to be random, completely degenerative mutations where what was left of the marine couldn't even be used and had to be put into stasis or put down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3265354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 just not psychic Don't know if bad joke or something worse... Anyway, it's a yes and no. The Wulfen are a well-known fact to the Space Wolves, but not really to anyone outside the Legion/Chapter and anyone who did know is probably one of a very small circle of well-trusted individuals. And they did and didn't retain comprehension of friend and foe. For example, I remember some old fluff bit about a Wolf who had turned Wulfen and slaughtered more than a few Guardsmen. Basically, a wolf pack is organized into alpha, beta, omega with lone wolves living outside the pack. Wulfen somewhere between alpha and beta. They respond to the heirarchy made through physical dominance and as such, kill whoever they see as an omega(usually Guardsmen who were in the wrong place at the wrong time) and are only "friendly" to those who proven worthy of being the Wulfen's alpha. Usually a Wolf Priest or Wolf Lord. Everyone else is either beta or dead. Through the alpha, the Wulfen learn who to recognize as a "pack member"(in the loosest most general sense of the word) who isn't, negating their usual "kill all but the strongest of the pack" mentality. At least, that's how I've always seen it presented. And somehow they are never seen on the battlefield. Although since GW has basically ceased publication of the Wulfen, it's probably something they are planning to phase out in a very gradual manner. IIRC, the unit hasn't been a Codex-legal one since the EOT campaign. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3265369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 well in the ragner blackmane trilogy their was a wolf guard that took over the company (cause the wolf lord was in a coma) and the thousand sons were using sorcery to make all the wolves get wolf bitten so most of the new blood claws did succumb to it and so did the wolf guard and he slaughtered all the guardsmen and the admiral and i think he killed a fellow space i think and the wolf lord woke up and told the wolf guard to honour your oaths to me and serve me and he did for a century i think Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3265430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 well in the ragner blackmane trilogy their was a wolf guard that took over the company (cause the wolf lord was in a coma) and the thousand sons were using sorcery to make all the wolves get wolf bitten so most of the new blood claws did succumb to it and so did the wolf guard and he slaughtered all the guardsmen and the admiral and i think he killed a fellow space i think and the wolf lord woke up and told the wolf guard to honour your oaths to me and serve me and he did for a century i think It was berek thunderfists champion who took over and slaughtered the gaurdemen and SW's. In the same book one of Ragnars own company (as the books always start in the present when Ragnar has taken over Berek's great copany) turns into a wulfen, I think its a wolf gaurd battle leader of the BC and Ragner and the wolf priest are looking for him after he has killed some of his pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3265477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 he was actually a pack leader Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3265506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 he was a battle leader leading a pack... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3265533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 On topic about heresy era wolves please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3266375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 21, 2012 Author Share Posted December 21, 2012 space wolves dont use the term battle leader, captain, chapter master, etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3266792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 21, 2012 Author Share Posted December 21, 2012 space wolves dont use the term battle leader, captain, chapter master, etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3266799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 did anyone know about the the space wolves flaw i mean if sainguinius was a afraid to tell his father about his legions flaw cause of the fear being expunged from imperial records why did the wolves get to live i mean dont get me wrong i love the SW but seems a bit unfair they called the thousand sons abominations when they have the same flaws Beside the mutating fact, the thousand sons were also considered abominations by the space wolves because they just did not do what the Big E told them to.. A fact very alien to the wolves who themselves are as loyal as it can be. wolves/dogs they are related :ph34r: (just joking) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3267122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Well dogs are a domesticated subspecies of wolves now apparently. Although Betrayer has brought up some rather... interesting material considering the Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3267191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookieman Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Well dogs are a domesticated subspecies of wolves now apparently. Although Betrayer has brought up some rather... interesting material considering the Wolves. Can you elaborate please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3267215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Well, it's implied that the Canis Hellix makes them closer to the corgy, and that the whole "wolf" thing is because they are Lunar Wolves wannabes. Tough story, if you ask me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3267323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Well that's evidently chaos rant...and completely dumb, because it's evident that the WE envy SW on some things if they talk so much about them...not to go into spoilers.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3267343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Well that's evidently chaos rant...and completely dumb, because it's evident that the WE envy SW on some things if they talk so much about them...not to go into spoilers.... Umm no. Well, yes the rant is a rant but you're missing the head of the nail on the other thing. I'll explain in the Betrayer thread as soon as I finish the book, but already halfway through and I can say, no. Or rather, not exactly. Well dogs are a domesticated subspecies of wolves now apparently. Although Betrayer has brought up some rather... interesting material considering the Wolves. Can you elaborate please? Since it is spoiler, I'll put it in the Betrayer thread as soon as I finish the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3267345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Well I finshed the book - and I say again "chaos rant",btw if loyality is their biggest flaw (and they are not wolves because of that) then feth the name...but also envy from the WE is pretty obvious.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3267352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Also as great a writer ADB, as a SW fan I can not take anything he says about SW seriously as I will always feel he is biased against them and like sticking his finger up to the SW fanboys. On a side note wolves are loyal to each other and their alpha, So for the SW their alpha is Russ, Russ's alpha is the EMP, so if Russ says do something his SW will follow, in that light is the EMP says something to Russ, Russ will obey. And I call BS on the whole crap about SW anting to be real wolves like the Luner Wolves, the Luner wolves were just wolves in name, the SW are wolves in nature and genetic makeup. Worse than SW fanboys are ADB fanboys, jump of that bandwagon already please, He is a great writer no doubt but the sun does not shine out his A@@ and his take on things does not override everything else, Just cos ADB says so does not make it true Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3268139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Also as great a writer ADB, as a SW fan I can not take anything he says about SW seriously as I will always feel he is biased against them and like sticking his finger up to the SW fanboys. That's patently wrong but whatever. After all what happened, any further talk about this is just not needed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3268144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Where is it said they want to be real Wolves? I have never heard that anywhere. The interesting details I was talking about is that the "executioner" role is confirmed, but how it came about is ambigious. It's implied that since no one saw the Emperor bestow the title, that Russ gave it to himself and the Emperor just let it be. Although at the same time it completely kills the belief that the Wolves attacked the two missing Legions because Angron is said to be the first Primarch they tried to go after because of the Butcher's Nails. If this is all about Vesper's post, he is wrong. I don't know if it was a bad joke or if he thought he was being serious but he is wrong. The Canis Helix is never mentioned in Betrayer and ADB actually did a decent job with the Wolves, giving them a chance to kill Angron and then letting him go because Russ believed that his mercy would let Angron realize his mistakes and stop spreading the Nails. But that didn't happen and then the Heresy happened and we all know how it goes from there. So this "chaos ranting" and then the ranting about ADB and any ranting towards or for the SW all needs to stop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3268187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Also as great a writer ADB, as a SW fan I can not take anything he says about SW seriously as I will always feel he is biased against them and like sticking his finger up to the SW fanboys. On a side note wolves are loyal to each other and their alpha, So for the SW their alpha is Russ, Russ's alpha is the EMP, so if Russ says do something his SW will follow, in that light is the EMP says something to Russ, Russ will obey. And I call BS on the whole crap about SW anting to be real wolves like the Luner Wolves, the Luner wolves were just wolves in name, the SW are wolves in nature and genetic makeup. Worse than SW fanboys are ADB fanboys, jump of that bandwagon already please, He is a great writer no doubt but the sun does not shine out his A@@ and his take on things does not override everything else, Just cos ADB says so does not make it true Agree completely brother - and this is not about "us" being hurtful 12 year old fanboys, it's clearly about his issues with certain fans or disagreement with Abnetts portrayal of the SW... So I'll stop, because I respect his previous writing too much to say anything bad about the book...My only opinion is that the SW didn't need to be in that book, and I'm sure on that... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268035-did-anyone-know-about-the-space-wolves-flaw/#findComment-3268189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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