Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 if Khârn was at prospero and at the battle of terra how did the the wolves not get their in time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Chaos forces weren't hindered in the warp as Imperial forces were. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darog Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 They fought with the Alpha Legion, allowing the White Scars go to Terra. See. Horus Heresy visions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Was Khârn at the battle of Prospero?... This whole thread makes no sense to me ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarkassBC Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Was Khârn at the battle of Prospero?... This whole thread makes no sense to me ;) No it's inside a story after the Fall of Prospero. A TS ship returned to his home planet finding an occupation force of WE lead by Khârn. About the Yarant battle between SW an AL in the lore is a minor skirmish not a major battle... someone know more information about it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Where was that story published? I think I remember AD-B talking about it now in regards to having Khârn in Ultramar and it all being a bit wibbley wobbley. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Where was that story published? I think I remember AD-B talking about it now in regards to having Khârn in Ultramar and it all being a bit wibbley wobbley. It's called Rebirth and it was in the Age of Darkness HH short story collection. Also, to answer the original question - there was roughly a seven year period between Prospero and Terra, so why Khârn was at both and the Wolves were only at Prospero and not Terra relies upon the relative positions of both. There is seven years of fighting to get done in the meantime and it was just a case of the Wolves being a little too far away at the time of the Siege to directly aid in the battle (iirc they were on their way to Terra with the Dark Angels after they hear of the Siege). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Where was that story published? I think I remember AD-B talking about it now in regards to having Khârn in Ultramar and it all being a bit wibbley wobbley. It's called Rebirth and it was in the Age of Darkness HH short story collection. Also, to answer the original question - there was roughly a seven year period between Prospero and Terra, so why Khârn was at both and the Wolves were only at Prospero and not Terra relies upon the relative positions of both. There is seven years of fighting to get done in the meantime and it was just a case of the Wolves being a little too far away at the time of the Siege to directly aid in the battle (iirc they were on their way to Terra with the Dark Angels after they hear of the Siege). Yeah, them, the Dark Angels, and the Ultramarines were just about to get there together. That is why Horus started freaking out. Three whole legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 An IRL reason is that ADB said that they weren't able to sync the storylines, and that Khârn was used in the age of darkness story without everyone on the team being aware. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Where was that story published? I think I remember AD-B talking about it now in regards to having Khârn in Ultramar and it all being a bit wibbley wobbley. It's called Rebirth and it was in the Age of Darkness HH short story collection. Also, to answer the original question - there was roughly a seven year period between Prospero and Terra, so why Khârn was at both and the Wolves were only at Prospero and not Terra relies upon the relative positions of both. There is seven years of fighting to get done in the meantime and it was just a case of the Wolves being a little too far away at the time of the Siege to directly aid in the battle (iirc they were on their way to Terra with the Dark Angels after they hear of the Siege). Yeah, them, the Dark Angels, and the Ultramarines were just about to get there together. That is why Horus started freaking out. Three whole legions. The Ultramarines showing up are a new addition to the lore. Used to be just the DA and SW, with the Ultramarines still mucking around in their neck of the woods. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Where was that story published? I think I remember AD-B talking about it now in regards to having Khârn in Ultramar and it all being a bit wibbley wobbley. It's called Rebirth and it was in the Age of Darkness HH short story collection. Also, to answer the original question - there was roughly a seven year period between Prospero and Terra, so why Khârn was at both and the Wolves were only at Prospero and not Terra relies upon the relative positions of both. There is seven years of fighting to get done in the meantime and it was just a case of the Wolves being a little too far away at the time of the Siege to directly aid in the battle (iirc they were on their way to Terra with the Dark Angels after they hear of the Siege). Yeah, them, the Dark Angels, and the Ultramarines were just about to get there together. That is why Horus started freaking out. Three whole legions. The Ultramarines showing up are a new addition to the lore. Used to be just the DA and SW, with the Ultramarines still mucking around in their neck of the woods. Since when? I always remember that the Ultra's were closing in at the end. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarkassBC Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Sincerely not; the UM never went to the Siege of Terra or were in travel towards it. But maybe some ships of UM, after Calth and Ultramar, could have followed SW, BA and WS... probably not the DA, considering the opinion of Guilliman for the Lion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Where was that story published? I think I remember AD-B talking about it now in regards to having Khârn in Ultramar and it all being a bit wibbley wobbley. It's called Rebirth and it was in the Age of Darkness HH short story collection. Also, to answer the original question - there was roughly a seven year period between Prospero and Terra, so why Khârn was at both and the Wolves were only at Prospero and not Terra relies upon the relative positions of both. There is seven years of fighting to get done in the meantime and it was just a case of the Wolves being a little too far away at the time of the Siege to directly aid in the battle (iirc they were on their way to Terra with the Dark Angels after they hear of the Siege). Yeah, them, the Dark Angels, and the Ultramarines were just about to get there together. That is why Horus started freaking out. Three whole legions. The Ultramarines showing up are a new addition to the lore. Used to be just the DA and SW, with the Ultramarines still mucking around in their neck of the woods. Since when? I always remember that the Ultra's were closing in at the end. I think that got stuck in the Ward codex. Prior, it was always DA and SW ships closing in, with no mention of the Ultras. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ming Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 The 3rd Ed IA: Ultramarines, I believe. I could have sworn it was in there. My copy is gone, is there anyone with a copy that can check? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Sincerely not; the UM never went to the Siege of Terra or were in travel towards it.. Not sure where you guys ever got that impression. Codex: Ultramarines 2E, said that they were too far away and didn't learn of the Heresy until the battle was already underway. However, they smashed a large fleet of Chaos reinforcements, which means they headed towards Terra at soon as they heard. Of course, C:UM2E also said that "None of the worlds already liberated by the Ultramarines were in serious danger from the forces of Chaos". ;) Index Astartes III recounts the events like this "Gathering his Legion, Guilliman led his forces towards Terra, en route destroying a rebel fleet on its way to reinforce Horus. The war had already been won by the time Guilliman's warriors reached Terra..." The Ultramarines had always tried to take part in the Battle of Terra. They just didn't make it there until after the fighting had ended. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3264982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Sincerely not; the UM never went to the Siege of Terra or were in travel towards it.. Not sure where you guys ever got that impression. Codex: Ultramarines 2E, said that they were too far away and didn't learn of the Heresy until the battle was already underway. However, they smashed a large fleet of Chaos reinforcements, which means they headed towards Terra at soon as they heard. Of course, C:UM2E also said that "None of the worlds already liberated by the Ultramarines were in serious danger from the forces of Chaos". :cuss Index Astartes III recounts the events like this "Gathering his Legion, Guilliman led his forces towards Terra, en route destroying a rebel fleet on its way to reinforce Horus. The war had already been won by the time Guilliman's warriors reached Terra..." The Ultramarines had always tried to take part in the Battle of Terra. They just didn't make it there until after the fighting had ended. This is what I remember. And that was part of the reason Horus lowered his shields. Also, I could have sworn that in the IA for the Blood Angels, when it explains the final battle between Horus, Sanguinius, and the Emperor, that it said one of the possible reasons for the lowering of the shield was the arrival of all three of those legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3265119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 You are right. However it was ONLY the Space Wolves and Dark Angels that were on the way. I'm sure the retcon will be that the Big Blue Boss beat them to it... While the Loyalists could be slowed in the warp. I have no doubt the Traitors experience no delays. In First Heretic the WB were able to get to Istvaan in 30 days, IIRC, instead of what would have been 1.5 years. "The Warp was calm" or something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3265313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 You are right. However it was ONLY the Space Wolves and Dark Angels that were on the way. I'm sure the retcon will be that the Big Blue Boss beat them to it... While the Loyalists could be slowed in the warp. I have no doubt the Traitors experience no delays. In First Heretic the WB were able to get to Istvaan in 30 days, IIRC, instead of what would have been 1.5 years. "The Warp was calm" or something. Where is the original source that said that? Because, like I said, I always remember it that the Ultras were on the way with the other two legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3265382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I do some looking. But I believe its mentioned in at least the 3rd edition DA dex. I could be mistaken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3265421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 It is mentioned in the most recent dex. It just implies that the Space Wolves and Dark Angels marshaled their forces and made haste for Terra together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3265429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Right. The DA & Space Wolves went to Terra together. The Ultramarines set out on their own. Remember, that Caliban and Fenris are in the Segmentum Obscuris, to the N/NW of Terra. The Ultramarines are all the way across the galaxy in the Ultima Segmentun. While the 4th Ed Dark Angels book isn't clear where exactly the Dark Angels and Spess Wolves were at, chances are it was nowhere near where the Ultramarines were. Then again, Prospero seems to be on the border of the Segmentum Solar and Ultima Segmentum (still far away from where the Ultramarines would be). Of course, just give the Black Library one or two more novels. They might well be anywhere and everywhere at this point. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3265472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Iirc, at this moment in the series, the Dark Angels are out on the Eastern Fringe having a good old dust up with the Night Lords. According to Prince of Crows it is after this round of fighting the the Dark Angels eventually head for Terra, although I haven't read it yet so I'm just gleaning info from a wiki (so take what I said with a pinch of salt). I'd presume they meet up with the Wolves at some point on the way, judging by established fluff. Btw the earliest source(s) I recall reading of the DA and the SW going to Terra together was in the respective 2nd edition codexes. Whether or not there is other sources that precede those, I don't know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3265640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Its also in the Index Astartes Dark Angels were it mentions them "putting aside their feuding" and traveling to Terra together. At the end of Savage Weapons by ADB you have the Lion saying he has word from several of his brothers. Not Leman Russ and not Dorn. Followed by "Horus is not the only one who thinks he is heir to an Empire" in regards to the Ultramarines (or Sanguinius being proclaimed the New Emperor) summons. At the end of the Lion by Gav Thorpe the Lion tells the Iron Hands guy to tell the Big Blue Boss"I am coming" So the Lion went from the Shield Worlds to the Thramas Sector to possibly the Eastern Fringes then to Terra. Everywhere but Terra...:S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3265689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 The Lion currently has his "Demon-Orb of Teleporting" and is using it to hop all over the place, I'm assuming that he'll lose it some time around when he heads back to Caliban to get his own house in order, and is unable to get to Terra in time. Rik Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3265723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Sergeant Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 The Primarchs have an extraordinary ability to move about the galaxy. But none of them can seem to match Guilliman's ability to be anywhere in the Ultima Segmentum at the exact moment that it is most dramatic in the storyline. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268046-kharn/#findComment-3265886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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