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[Arkangilos]

Its also in the Index Astartes Dark Angels were it mentions them "putting aside their feuding" and traveling to Terra together.

 

At the end of Savage Weapons by ADB you have the Lion saying he has word from several of his brothers. Not Leman Russ and not Dorn. Followed by "Horus is not the only one who thinks he is heir to an Empire" in regards to the Ultramarines (or Sanguinius being proclaimed the New Emperor) summons.

 

At the end of the Lion by Gav Thorpe the Lion tells the Iron Hands guy to tell the Big Blue Boss"I am coming"

 

So the Lion went from the Shield Worlds to the Thramas Sector to possibly the Eastern Fringes then to Terra. Everywhere but Terra...:S

 

Right, but none of that excludes the Ultramarines... Where is a source that says the Ultramarines did NOT go to Terra?

[daveNYC]

I don't think there was ever a source saying that they didn't head towards Terra. What I remember as the old fluff had the SW and DA being mentioned as the Legions that were storming into Terra and that may have forced Horus' hand regarding trying to end the fight quickly. The UM might well have been heading to Terra too, but until the Ward codex (AFAIK) there was no mention of them being close enough to Terra to influence Horus' decision, nor were they mentioned in similar terms to the Wolves and Angels.

[spu00sed]

The Lion currently has his "Demon-Orb of Teleporting" and is using it to hop all over the place, I'm assuming that he'll lose it some time around when he heads back to Caliban to get his own house in order, and is unable to get to Terra in time.

 

Rik

 

I remember something about this.

 

Which book was it in?

[KarkassBC]

The Lion currently has his "Demon-Orb of Teleporting" and is using it to hop all over the place, I'm assuming that he'll lose it some time around when he heads back to Caliban to get his own house in order, and is unable to get to Terra in time.

 

Rik

 

I remember something about this.

 

Which book was it in?

 

Inside "The Primarchs".

 

The story is about a xeno-warp-daemonic device with the power to calm the Warp around it.

 

There is another story in Shadows of Treachery when the NL fleet was continually attacked by the DA fleet. In fact the possible reason is the use of the WarpGPS device.

[Sgt.Sangha]

I dont think anyone really understands what is happening here, In the past codices there are only snippits of events that are told and they are told from an imperial and historical perspective. Now the gaps in the Horus Heresy are being filled in and the history is changing slightly because we are being told the information as it is occuring, as in what is going on in the minds of the individuals as they complete a certain action. Maybe historically the imperium believes that the UM were mustering, maybe at some point they didnt believe they were, until the information becomes available we will never really know, because the story has never been fully told.

[Lord Ragnarok]

Where was that story published? I think I remember AD-B talking about it now in regards to having Khârn in Ultramar and it all being a bit wibbley wobbley.

 

It's called Rebirth and it was in the Age of Darkness HH short story collection.

 

Also, to answer the original question - there was roughly a seven year period between Prospero and Terra, so why Khârn was at both and the Wolves were only at Prospero and not Terra relies upon the relative positions of both. There is seven years of fighting to get done in the meantime and it was just a case of the Wolves being a little too far away at the time of the Siege to directly aid in the battle (iirc they were on their way to Terra with the Dark Angels after they hear of the Siege).

 

Yeah, them, the Dark Angels, and the Ultramarines were just about to get there together. That is why Horus started freaking out. Three whole legions.

 

And the wolves.

[Veteran Sergeant]

I dont think anyone really understands what is happening here, In the past codices there are only snippits of events that are told and they are told from an imperial and historical perspective. Now the gaps in the Horus Heresy are being filled in and the history is changing slightly because we are being told the information as it is occuring, as in what is going on in the minds of the individuals as they complete a certain action. Maybe historically the imperium believes that the UM were mustering, maybe at some point they didnt believe they were, until the information becomes available we will never really know, because the story has never been fully told.

Why don't we just be realistic here. We all understand just fine, heh.

 

The Horus is changing because they are changing it to be more complex so they can write and sell more books. :) This is license fiction, not history.

 

Mysteries are not being uncovered. We're not being shown truths heretofore lost to the shifting sands of time. The guys at the Black Library are just making up stuff as they go along because the longer it takes to get to the Battle of Terra, the more books you have to buy. The story was told in full years ago. Now they're telling the story again, just differently.

 

I don't think there was ever a source saying that they didn't head towards Terra. What I remember as the old fluff had the SW and DA being mentioned as the Legions that were storming into Terra and that may have forced Horus' hand regarding trying to end the fight quickly. The UM might well have been heading to Terra too, but until the Ward codex (AFAIK) there was no mention of them being close enough to Terra to influence Horus' decision, nor were they mentioned in similar terms to the Wolves and Angels.

The "old fluff" changed several times. In Codex: Chaos 2E, Horus just let his shields down by mistake, or possibly to do a psychic probe, and the Emperor capitalized on his mistake. It actually had nothing to do with the approaching reinforcements. Codex: Chaos 3.5 says more or less the same thing: they don't know why. Maybe he wanted to watch the Emperor die, maybe he had regret. Index Astartes: Black Legion states that "reinforcements" were on the way, but does not name them. Collected Visions mentions all three by name.

 

So no, this, like most things, isn't Mat Ward's fault, or him writing the Ultramarines in a bigger role.

[Marshal Rohr]

I think we all just need to accept the fact that the Battle for Terra will probably be altered to include more, if not all, the Legions.

[Deathwatch/Grey knight]

how long does the battle of terra go for

[Raulmichile]

how long does the battle of terra go for

 

50 or so days. Until now at least.

[Arkangilos]

Where was that story published? I think I remember AD-B talking about it now in regards to having Khârn in Ultramar and it all being a bit wibbley wobbley.

 

It's called Rebirth and it was in the Age of Darkness HH short story collection.

 

Also, to answer the original question - there was roughly a seven year period between Prospero and Terra, so why Khârn was at both and the Wolves were only at Prospero and not Terra relies upon the relative positions of both. There is seven years of fighting to get done in the meantime and it was just a case of the Wolves being a little too far away at the time of the Siege to directly aid in the battle (iirc they were on their way to Terra with the Dark Angels after they hear of the Siege).

 

Yeah, them, the Dark Angels, and the Ultramarines were just about to get there together. That is why Horus started freaking out. Three whole legions.

 

And the wolves.

 

Them was referring to the Wolves, don't worry, I didn't forget them ;)

[Augustus]

Found it.

 

White Dwarf 161

 

"Now the final siege began. Through great breaches in the outer walls more and more armaments and reinforcements were brought to bear. The Warmaster himself prepared to teleport down to the surface and supervise the destruction of his former lord. Then a daemon from the Warp whispered to him the words that he had dreaded.

 

A loyalist fleet under Leman Russ and Lion'el Johnson bearing a fresh army of Space Wolves and Dark Angels was only hours away. It would take days to break humanity's last citadel, even with Horus leading his troops. It seemed that time had run out for the Warmaster, that his gamble had failed.

 

Horus was first among the fallen, with the power of a god and the cunning of a daemon. He resolved to try one final desperate gambit. He could still kill the Emperor. He ordered all comm-net communications blocked so that the defenders would get no word from their rescuers and then he used his psychic powers to the full to prevent the Emperor becoming aware of this. Finally he dropped the shields of his command ship. It was an invitation and a personal challenge that he knew the Emperor could not resist. He was being offered a chance finally to smite the foe who had harried him for so long."

[Arkangilos]

Found it.

 

White Dwarf 161

 

"Now the final siege began. Through great breaches in the outer walls more and more armaments and reinforcements were brought to bear. The Warmaster himself prepared to teleport down to the surface and supervise the destruction of his former lord. Then a daemon from the Warp whispered to him the words that he had dreaded.

 

A loyalist fleet under Leman Russ and Lion'el Johnson bearing a fresh army of Space Wolves and Dark Angels was only hours away. It would take days to break humanity's last citadel, even with Horus leading his troops. It seemed that time had run out for the Warmaster, that his gamble had failed.

 

Horus was first among the fallen, with the power of a god and the cunning of a daemon. He resolved to try one final desperate gambit. He could still kill the Emperor. He ordered all comm-net communications blocked so that the defenders would get no word from their rescuers and then he used his psychic powers to the full to prevent the Emperor becoming aware of this. Finally he dropped the shields of his command ship. It was an invitation and a personal challenge that he knew the Emperor could not resist. He was being offered a chance finally to smite the foe who had harried him for so long."

 

Ah, thank you! Good enough for me.