Count the7 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Well we all know that the Seige Of terra Book is the enevitable conclusion to the HH series. I was looking at wich of the Legions i would want to portray. (starting now to achieve a nice well painted and constructed Apoc Army) By the time we get to Terra the trator legions seem less apealing, most of them would look much like they do in 40K. so what about the Loyalists? Imperial Fists White Scars Blood Angels Custodes Imperial Army I was thinking about going for Imperial Fists with a battered besiged look about them, Basing it on Sigismund and his First Company could add a Crusading Knight/Black Templar Feel ( Think Kingdom of heaven or Iron Clad Films). Big chunk of the points on some nicely converet and scratch built Fortifications and Weapon Batterys. so what Arms and Armour do you think you could use? I was thinking of using MKs 2-6 Armour MK 6 would have been well in use by the Seige (and makes it a little cheeper to put to geather masive amounts of Tactical Marines). What about other Weapons like Assault Cannon on Terminators? What are you guys thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 It all sounds reasonable, even the mark 6 armour and terminators, although assault cannons, iirc, aren't heresy era weapons. You could get away with using them but if you want to follow the fluff then no assault cannons, I'm afraid. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3264817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'd add Mechanicum to the list as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3264833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 It all sounds reasonable, even the mark 6 armour and terminators, although assault cannons, iirc, aren't heresy era weapons. You could get away with using them but if you want to follow the fluff then no assault cannons, I'm afraid. :) Well it could be explained that the assault cannons were used because they were running out of the other weapons, and they had some assault cannons laying around. (maybe it is something that led to them using them in the centuries to come). I think Mk 6 would be rare though, so I would only have a few units equipped with it. Remember, they lost the production site for Mk 6, they could only get what they could off of mars during the evacuation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3264849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Think there's been assualt cannons referenced in the HH series, pretty sure its in use by the Imperial Fists' terminators in The Crimson Fist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3264852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Yeah, I think the ones who boarded Perturabo's ship had an assault cannon with them, was experimental though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3264853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count the7 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 I seem to remember that MK 6 was issued to the Raven Guard early on just after Isstvan 5, Im sure a big thing was made about it? I will have to check but i thought that the IF used Assault Cannon in The Crimson fist. and i seem to remember from some realy old fluff that a Terminator with assault Cannon distracted Horus giving the Wounded Emperor the Opening he needed in the final battle on the vengeful Spirit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3264880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count the7 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ok i checked back and dont you hate it when they rewrite Fluff? so apparently once apon a time it was a Blood Angel Terminator that distracted Horus by unloading on him with an Auto Cannon. Then it was changed to a Custode now the Lexicanum sugests it is the Imperial Army Dude from Know no Fear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 @countthe7: and dont forget ole Puis distracting Horus, a lone Guardman saying "up yours" to the Warmaster...that should return. and why not mix the army? regardless of what the main army is, mix the paint jobs between the 3 marine legions? i have no douvt they were heavily mixed in defending the Walls, and it means you wont get stuck painting any single color. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count the7 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 I was bored and got tinkering around. Does any one remember the Fluff from the 25th anaversary White Dwarf, where they relesed the Special Edition Emperors Champion? Had a nice Piece about Sigismund in His freshly repainted Black armour as the First Emperors Champion riding in a Rhino through the devistated court yards of the Imperial Palace. before Confronting the Trators in Battle. was thinking of using a Pretor with Paragon Blade and Combat Shield with a 9 Man Veteran Tactical Squad all with Power Weapons and a Heavy Flamer, then give them Furious Charge, Sgt with Articifer Armour. Gives a bigger and Cheeper option than a Comand Squad. Put them in a Rhino with either a Heavy Bolter or Flamer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ok i checked back and dont you hate it when they rewrite Fluff? so apparently once apon a time it was a Blood Angel Terminator that distracted Horus by unloading on him with an Auto Cannon. Then it was changed to a Custode now the Lexicanum sugests it is the Imperial Army Dude from Know no Fear. I believe FFG dealt with this the best in one of the splat books for their Deathwatch RPG - the stories revolving around that last fight between Horus and The Emperor change depending on who you ask. Some might say it was a guardsman, others say it was one of his personal bodyguards from the custodes. Suffice to say there is no one true depiction because 1) the fluff/history relating to the duel by now is done in several contradictory versions and 2) all of it is ambiguous and GW likes it that way. I won't be surprised if the depiction in the HH series will bring the focus back to the original participant - Ollanius Pious. (Who, incidentally, according to FFG, is regarded as a saint by the Imperial Guard at large.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count the7 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 The Seige of terra Apoc game would also give me a chance to add my loyalist Death Guard to the walls. After all with all the Garro Audio Books they seem to forgot about the other 70 Death Guard from the Isenstien, Let alone Cyros Morturg and any other loyalists that were swept up, some Battered Blood Angels and White Scars would look Good in a scratch company of defenders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ok i checked back and dont you hate it when they rewrite Fluff? so apparently once apon a time it was a Blood Angel Terminator that distracted Horus by unloading on him with an Auto Cannon. Then it was changed to a Custode now the Lexicanum sugests it is the Imperial Army Dude from Know no Fear. I never ever remember it being a Blood Angel. I remember the first time I read it ages ago, it was an Imperial Fist terminator. Never have I seen Blood Angels against Horus other than Sanguinius. Where did you find that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Horus obliterated that guy so badly that no one could ever tell what he looked like in the first place. Yet, if it's a random guardsman, it makes no sense because he couldn't reach the Vengeful Spirit whitout "deep stiking" in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count the7 Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Its the Dude with the Rag tag Band that steped from Calth straight to the Vengeful Spirit Via the Knife cut in the Warp in Know no Fear... I think, Oll the Ex Imperial Army Farmer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
klisof Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 It all sounds reasonable, even the mark 6 armour and terminators, although assault cannons, iirc, aren't heresy era weapons. You could get away with using them but if you want to follow the fluff then no assault cannons, I'm afraid. :wacko: There has been a bit of a ret-con in Horus Heresy book 1 - if you look at the Kheres assault cannon entry on pg 239 is says "More compact assault cannons were entering limited use with the Terminator-armour equiped forces of several legions at the beginning of the Heresy". I guess these will be an option for some loyalist units in a later book. Storm Shileds are also likely to appear - the entry on combat shields on pg 236 mentions "prototype Legiones Astartes Storm Shields that were beginning to enter service at the time of the Heresy". I would bet on both appearing in the Fist's Seige of Terra list. And if Horus had waited another year before launching the Heresy the Traitors might have got them as well :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 I would probably focus on the IF, as they seem to be your first choice, but I would definitely include a couple of WS and BA units. As far as armour mk goes, IF had a limited supply of mkVII, taken from Mars, used at the Battle of Terra. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count the7 Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 as far as i see it as the War progresed more exprimntal weapons were used more and more widely on both sides. Hence Garro facing a defiler at Calth, "Noise Marines" In fulgrim, i think by the time FW gets to Terra, the trator Army lists will be full of CSM stuff like Obliterators and Deamon Engines along side Plague Marines ect. So the Question would be how much 40K stuff will the Loyalists be using? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3265559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratul29 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Hmm, I'd say up to mk 6 armor possibly, and yes assualt cannons would be viable, because the thousand sons had them on their terms in the thousand sons book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3267308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 The IFs managed to rescue 40000 suits of new power armour off Mars in Mechanicum, a lot of these could have been Mark 6. I like to think the rest of the Isenstein 70 are working for Malcador like the Garro and Qruze. I dont think there was enough room in high security part of the Custodes private prison to house them all as I think it only had a couple of dozen cells in it, which primarily housed the captured marines from the Crusader Host & so they are not there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3267705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count the7 Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 In the Visions art work books itsays MK 6 Armour was taken from Mars, though Mechanicum states MK IV armour, though in deliverance lost RG were reequiped with Corvus Armour. again in Abyss the Word Berers had loads of shiney new Red sets of MK 6. either way it gives me all the ammo i need to fill out my FW resin equiped squads with Plastic "Beakys" for the Seige of Terra. It would be nice to actualy find out what happened to the 70 Death Guard. The Cover Art of the flight of the Eisenstine is a source of insperation with Loyalist Death Guard Fighting along side Imperial Fists against the back ground with a Great Unclean one. and using my loyalist DG to fill out an Appocolipse Army would save on the cost and painting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268050-army-for-the-seige-of-terra/#findComment-3267949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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