the emperor is scottish Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I was wondering if anyone could help me name all of the legions elites. I know the sons of Horus had their justaerin Death guard - death shroud. Emperors children - the cheerleader like Phoenix Guard. Night lords - Atramentar Imperial fists - Templar guard As for the rest I couldn't tell you. So can anyone fill me in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 World Eaters - The Devourers. Alpha Legion had the Lernaean Terminator Squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 The IV doesn't seem to have an elite. Perturabo surrounds himself with the "iron circle" of TH/SS colossus robots, his advisors form the "trident" and the Legion's supply of siege engines is called the "stor-bezashk", though. p.s. Iron hands: Morlocks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Sanguinary Guard for Blood Angels Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massaen Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Dark angels at this stage would simply be the inner circle yes? Wolf guard for the space wolves... Don't think that changed. The word bearers had the possessed whose name escapes me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Gal Vorbak, although that changed after Istvaan to the Vakrah Jal who were the survivors of Istvaan's almost destroyed chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 Ah I forgot to post the word bearers. I'd be interested to know more about the devourers, the alpha legion and perturabo's iner circle. What books are they writes in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 The Justaerin for the Sons of Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 devourers are angron's terminator bodyguards. there are always 12 of them. In Betrayer angron dislikes them and says that he don't named them, so they were legion's elite before founding of primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 The dark angles have yet to have a elite formation mentioned and considering how well the lion takes care of himself..... Though each order dose have a paladin champion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 There was already a big discussion about this here. Enjoy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Legion for the Alpha Legion elites and Angel Exterminatus for the Iron Warriors, but he relies on Battle robots as mentioned before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 The Imperial Fists elite are called both Templars and Huscarls though I'm of the opinion that Templars is the unit name while Huscarls is just a generic Heresy era name for praetorians. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the emperor is scottish Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 To be fare angron doesn't like a lot of people lol. I was going to say it could have been cause they were Terran but I'm guessing the vast majority of the world eaters would have been Terran, Khârn included. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 The thought occurs to me. Is there a distinction between "bodyguards" and "elites". The Deathshroud were specifically Mortarions bodyguards. Where as 1st Captain Typhon led the legions terminator forces. As with the World Eaters, the Devourers are mentioned to be bodyguards. But I think Betrayal lists Rampagers as WE elite units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMaster Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Lion Guard for Dark Angels I think Pyre Guard for the salamanders and Morlocks for the iron hands and Sekhmet for the thousand sons I think...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darog Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Wolf guard for the space wolves... Don't think that changed. Space wolves - varangi guard - pretorians of Russ, and wulfens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Wolf guard for the space wolves... Don't think that changed. Space wolves - varangi guard - pretorians of Russ, and wulfens. the Wulfen were never his guard and OT I wouldn't actually call them the Elite of the army, they were unpredictable and savage - not quite the guard dogs you want... never heard of these Praetorians of Russ - where is this? the Varangi were the Elite Wolf Guard, not sure if they were actually his BGs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3267818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darog Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Sanguinary Guard for Blood Angels Blood guard according to FEAR TO TREAD Pyre Guard for the salamanders and Morlocks for the iron hands Fire Drakes for salamanders. Wolf guard for the space wolves... Don't think that changed. Space wolves - varangi guard - pretorians of Russ, and wulfens. the Wulfen were never his guard and OT I wouldn't actually call them the Elite of the army, they were unpredictable and savage - not quite the guard dogs you want... never heard of these Praetorians of Russ - where is this? the Varangi were the Elite Wolf Guard, not sure if they were actually his BGs Look in the dictionary, if you do not know. According to the book of the BL, they were. So varangi. According to Prospero, Russ was surrounded by wulfens and they obeyed him unquestioningly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3268115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 According to Prospero, Russ was surrounded by wulfens and they obeyed him unquestioningly. But so did all Wolves, I remember that passage in Prospero Burns and that didn't signify "praetorian elite", that was more "whoever is at the front of the charge". If you want to see his bodyguard/Legion elite you need to look at scenes like Nikea and aboard his flagship when he was surrounded by his Wolf Guard/Varangi Guard (used interchangeably). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3268632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMaster Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Sanguinary Guard for Blood Angels Blood guard according to FEAR TO TREAD Pyre Guard for the salamanders and Morlocks for the iron hands Fire Drakes for salamanders. Wolf guard for the space wolves... Don't think that changed. Space wolves - varangi guard - pretorians of Russ, and wulfens. the Wulfen were never his guard and OT I wouldn't actually call them the Elite of the army, they were unpredictable and savage - not quite the guard dogs you want... never heard of these Praetorians of Russ - where is this? the Varangi were the Elite Wolf Guard, not sure if they were actually his BGs Look in the dictionary, if you do not know. According to the book of the BL, they were. So varangi. According to Prospero, Russ was surrounded by wulfens and they obeyed him unquestioningly. what? :/ taken from another thread: I. Dark Angels- Lion Guard II. -Oops- III. Emperor's Children- Phoenix Guard IV. Iron Warriors- ? V. White Scars-? VI. Space Wolves- Varangi (until proven otherwise) VII. Imperial Fists- Templars (until proven otherwise) VIII. Night Lords- Atramentar IX. Blood Angels- Sanguiniary Guard X. Iron Hands- Morlocks XI. ----- XII. World Eaters- Devourers XIII. Ultramarines- XIV. Death Guard- Deathshroud XV. Thousand Sons- Scarab Occult / Sekhmet XVI. Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus - Justaerin? XVII. Word Bearers- Gal Vorbak XVIII. Salamanders- Pyre Guard XIX. Raven Guard- ? XX. Alpha Legion- Effrit / Lernaean Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3268779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 taken from another thread: I. Dark Angels- Lion Guard Seeing this pop up again I have to comment. The name Lion Guard appears NOWHERE in official GW/BL material at all, let alone as the name given to the First Legions elite. There hasn't been any indication in any GW material, including the Heresy series, thus far as to what the Lion's elites were called. "Lion Guard" is, at best, fan speculation. I'm sorry, but it just bugs the hell out of me when I see fan speculation being portrayed as true/official material, especially when its based on ZERO evidence. Edit - Note this isn't directed at you personally ShadowMaster. However, by repeating the misleading information you won't have helped. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3268791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 The Justaerin are the LW/SoH Elite, so why the question mark? If it's for a source, Horus Rising is there. Also, the Devourers are not the World Eaters Elite. They are supposed to be Angron's personal guard but fail in that aspect because they are weaker than other members of the Legion and Angron really doesn't care for them. If anything, the Triari might be the elite, except they are listed as being the best World Eaters in terms of boarding actions, not the elite of the Legion. Source is Betrayer. The Lion Guard do not exist. I have never heard of the Pyre Guard but since the Firedrakes are listed as the First Company in just about everything that mentions them, I would say they are the Elite. Source is Fulgrim. The Gal Vorbak are and are not the elite. They are simply what the Pre-/mid-heresy Word Bearers call their possessed and they are no longer organized with many of their number spread throughout the Legion. If anything, they are now a special class of officer. The Vakrah Jal of the Chapter of Consecrated Iron is a new formation within the Legion created by Argel Tal so it is possible that they might be the new Elites, but like the Triari and the Devourers, I would not personally list them as such until something concrete says otherwise. Source is Betrayer. For the Iron Warriors, I'm not sure. There is mention of one specific company called the Stor-bezashk who seem to have been in charge of most of the Legion's artillery but I still wouldn't say they are the elite, just a company that has earned a honorary title, much like the Gal Vorbak, Vakrah Jal, Devourers and Triari. Source is Angel Exterminatus. Also, the Atrementar are the Terminator elite. The Assualt elite are the Raptors. The Night Lords series and Prince of Crows by ADB for the Atrementar and Lord of the Night for the Raptors. Also, the Phoenix Guard would suffer from the same problem as the Devourers in that they are Fulgrim's bodyguards. Source is Fulgrim. I'm surprised no one has tried to suggest the Palatine Guard and the Rampagers from Betrayal by Forgeworld. Does their fluff not say they are the Elites? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3268805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 The Justaerin are the LW/SoH Elite, so why the question mark? If it's for a source, Horus Rising is there. Also, the Devourers are not the World Eaters Elite. They are supposed to be Angron's personal guard but fail in that aspect because they are weaker than other members of the Legion and Angron really doesn't care for them. If anything, the Triari might be the elite, except they are listed as being the best World Eaters in terms of boarding actions, not the elite of the Legion. Source is Betrayer. The Lion Guard do not exist. I have never heard of the Pyre Guard but since the Firedrakes are listed as the First Company in just about everything that mentions them, I would say they are the Elite. Source is Fulgrim. The Gal Vorbak are and are not the elite. They are simply what the Pre-/mid-heresy Word Bearers call their possessed and they are no longer organized with many of their number spread throughout the Legion. If anything, they are now a special class of officer. The Vakrah Jal of the Chapter of Consecrated Iron is a new formation within the Legion created by Argel Tal so it is possible that they might be the new Elites, but like the Triari and the Devourers, I would not personally list them as such until something concrete says otherwise. Source is Betrayer. For the Iron Warriors, I'm not sure. There is mention of one specific company called the Stor-bezashk who seem to have been in charge of most of the Legion's artillery but I still wouldn't say they are the elite, just a company that has earned a honorary title, much like the Gal Vorbak, Vakrah Jal, Devourers and Triari. Source is Angel Exterminatus. Also, the Atrementar are the Terminator elite. The Assualt elite are the Raptors. The Night Lords series and Prince of Crows by ADB for the Atrementar and Lord of the Night for the Raptors. Also, the Phoenix Guard would suffer from the same problem as the Devourers in that they are Fulgrim's bodyguards. Source is Fulgrim. I'm surprised no one has tried to suggest the Palatine Guard and the Rampagers from Betrayal by Forgeworld. Does their fluff not say they are the Elites? I brought up the distinction between elites and bodyguards as well as the Rampagers in post #15 but nobody noticed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3268809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Ah, apologies. I jumped in at the end of thread and saw Dues' post as well as Shadow Master's and just picked apart the list from there and assumed that whatever wasn't listed hadn't been suggested. But yes, I do believe there is a distinction between bodyguards and the Elite. The Bodyguards are only suppose to be deployed alongside the Primarch. Sort of like a private army within the army. The Elite are, well they're the Elite. But if Betrayal does say that the Rampagers are the Elite, then they are the Elite as no other unit within the XII has been listed as an "Elite" unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268266-legion-elite/#findComment-3268810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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