Legion elite.

[Demus Ragnok]

My point being "huscarl" is a generic term much like those you mentioned Marshal and not necessarily a title.

[Kol Saresk]

Except that Garro did have a servant whose title was "huscarl" who was an aspirant who failed to become a Space Marine. It's in Flight of the Eisenstien. The word was basically a title for anyone who was a servant but was not a slave. In direct relation to a bodyguard, it was used to described the bodyguards of Scandinavian kings so that was the example I used. It is a title of station in that sense. However, title does not mean rank. Not all the time at any rate. And since BL is known for "retrofitting" words that have fallen out of use into the Warhammer universe, it would be safer to assume that it is a title and not a rank. Being a bodyguard would be the individual's rank while "huscarl" would simply be a title that describes their position of being under another's command.

[the emperor is scottish]

I really don't know where people are getting that huscarls were dorns bodyguards or his elite. There's Is no mention of this is anything I've read. As far as I'm aware dorm had a single marine with the title of huscarl, Archamus and he would have simply been dorns query the same as sheng was to night haunter or Khârn to angron. I'm not saying he wouldn't have been an exseptional chap but I've a feeling his talent would have been his mind and intellect.

What I have seen writen so what I assume in cannon is that the Templar guard were dorns elite.

[Marshal Rohr]

Read Lightning Tower.

[the emperor is scottish]

Maybe dorns just a lazy big ba****d and has a group of lackeys to do all his mundane jobs for him.

Nipping to the shops for a pint of milk, taking out the bins. That kinda thing.

[Marshal Rohr]

Given that the VII legion is based on The Prussian Junker class it would be logical that there are lots of different titles and ranks with lots of overlap.

[Kol Saresk]

But the question is, how do we as the fans know where the overlap is?

[Ju'kosian]

Word Bearers , 'The anointed" in the books (short stories ) from Anthony Reynolds, it's what they call their terminators..

Hasn't picked up by any other authors tough...

 

As the HH series continues, I think we'll see more conflicting names/terms when certain legions are covered by more then 1 author.

[DarkApostle7]

the word bearers had the ashen circle (who basically flew at the enemies hero and burned and cleaved him alive) and they had the Gal Vorbak-now Vakrah Jal-(these were the first possessed warriors ever and are lead by Argel Tal)

[Atia]

Dark Angels: Deathwing Terminators

 

Iron Warriors: Tyranthikos or Dominators, an Elite Terminator Cadre; Tyrant Siege Terminators; Iron Havocs; Stor-Bezashk (Siege masters);

Iron Circle as Bodyguard for Perturabo

 

White Scars: Keshig Guard as Bodyguard for the Khan

 

Space Wolves: Wolf Guard; the Wulven of the 13th

 

Imperial Fists: Templars; Phalanx Warden; Huscarls as Bodyguard for Dorn

 

Night Lords: Atramentar Terminators; Night Raptors

 

Blood Angels: Sanguinary Guard

 

Iron Hands: Morloks, most of the wear Gorgon Terminator-armour

 

World Eaters: Triarii (Boarding companies) and Devourer's as Angrons Bodyguard; Rampagers, Red Butchers, Caedere

 

Ultramarines: Invictus Terminators as Bodyguard for Guilliman

 

Death Guard: Deathshroud; Grave Wardens

 

Thousand Sons: Sekhmet as Bodyguard for Magnus

 

Sons of Horus: Justaerin Terminators; Catulan Reavers; Luperci

 

Word Bearers: Gal Vorbak; Ashen Circle

 

Salamanders: Fire Drakes; Pyreclasts; Pyre Guard as Honour Guard for Vulkan

 

Raven Guard: Mor Deythan (Recons); Dark Fury Assault squad; Shadow Wardens

 

Alpha Legion: Headhunter Kill Squads; Laernean Terminators

[Kol Saresk]

the word bearers had the ashen circle (who basically flew at the enemies hero and burned and cleaved him alive) and they had the Gal Vorbak-now Vakrah Jal-(these were the first possessed warriors ever and are lead by Argel Tal)

Not exactly. The Ashen Circle are warriors whose job was to destroy religious icons.

 

The Vakrah Jal are not the Gal Vorbak. After Istvaan V, the original Gal Vorbak dispersed throughout the Legion to find their own way. The Vakrah Jal are merely the warriors Argel Tal collected to himself and forged into a new Chapter, the Chapter of Consecrated Iron.

 

@Atia: The Triarii are not "siege companies". They are a unique formation of 500 World Eaters charged with protecting the Conqueror against boarding actions.

 

It seems we are confusing "Legion unique" with "Legion elite".

[Atia]

boarding sorry, my mistake.

 

And I listened Elite and Bodyguard. Pure Legion unique but not Elite (1st company or similiar) would be Terror squads.

[Kol Saresk]

And Night Raptors, Dark Fury Assault squads, Pyroclasts, Headhunters, Rampagers, Red Butchers and a few other units. Their fluff says they are unique, but not elite. Take the Red Butchers. These are World Eaters who following Istvaan III have fully succumbed to the Butcher's Nails. They no longer have "sober moments". The Rampagers are simply the most dangerous of those who are lost to the Nails. The Night Raptors are just Night Lords with jump packs. The Dark Fury are similar, but Raven Guard. The Headhunters are Alpha Legion recon squads who specialize in assassinating enemy HQs. The Pyroclasts are the Salamanders' version of Destroyers. Etc etc.

 

Some units, like the Catulan Reavers are elite as well as unique. Continuing with the example, the Reavers the veterans of the First Company that use assault packs.

[Atia]

Night Raptors are a caste apart from the rest of the Legion, a bloody band of murderers. Dark Furys are also an Elite formation! And Headhunters are an Elite Version of the Seekers, alongside the Destroyers one of 2 big elite formations of the Alpha Legion (the others are the laerneans). Pyreclasts were created by Vulkan himself, he forged there weapons, an ELITE CADRE within the Legion. You can discuss about it, but it was asked for named Elite formation's, and for me, the listened squad types are elite formations . Not all Elite formations must be part of the first company f. e.!

[Komrk]

As for honor guard the Raven Guard has the Mor Dre(y)tha? (Shadow Wardens) before Corax disbanded them.

[Marshal Rohr]

Mor Deythan are just an elite group of recon marines.

[Komrk]

Mor Deythan and Mor Dretha are completely different.

[Hyaenidae]

Iron Warriors: Me

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heh. I wish...  :P

[Kol Saresk]

The Night Raptors fluff specifically says they are not an elite cadre. First line. The same line that says they are "killers wedded together by shared proclivities and chosen styles of warfare"(paraphrased).

 

The Headhunters are specialists, not Elites. They specialize in hunting down and eliminating enemy commanders and officers. Hence the name. Although by that very nature, a case could be made since they operate like SEAL teams. But then again, so do Terror squads, but we both agree the latter are not unique units.

 

Nothing in the Pyroclasts' entry gives the impression of an elite cadre. They are the XVIII's replacements for the Destroyer squads and because they do not use rad-bombs, they instead use specialized flamers which were created by Vulkan.

 

But as you said, you see them as elite formations. Therefore it would be pointless to discuss since it would be a discussion of opinion and I have a feeling neither of us are going to budge because where I see specialists, you see elites.

[Marshal Rohr]

Mor Deythan and Mor Dreytha are not different. If it's not a spelling mistake it's a root word change.

[MadDoc]

Imperial Fists: Templars; Phalanx Warden; Huscarls as Bodyguard for Dorn

Do you have an actual source for this?

I ask, because I have yet to see this presented in any form (even being hinted at) in any official source. Its certainly not mentioned in HH Bk3 - Extermination. Which would be the ideal place to put something like that, given that the Imperial Fists are one of the featured Legions and their organisation is discussed in detail.

[Balthamal]

Huscarl isn't anything unique to the IFs, their elite are the Templars. It's noted in Savage Weapons that Sheng served as the Night Haunters huscarl on Tsagualsa so it's just a fancy way of saying bodyguard.

 

I'll have a bash at putting the list together based on everything that's been in the HH novels and FW releases thus far. Note I'm not just writing out the signature units for the sake of it. For example Phoenix Guards rank higher than Palatine Blades because they actually guarded the Primarch etc.

 

Dark Angels: None identified, Deathwing is hinted at but nothing concrete with Dreadwing etc also named.

 

Emperor's Children: Phoenix Guard

 

Iron Warriors: Stor Bezashk

 

White Scars: Keshig

 

Space Wolves: None identified

 

Imperial Fists: Templars

 

Night Lords: Atramentar

 

Blood Angels: Sanguinary Guard

 

Iron Hands: Morlocks

 

World Eaters: Devourers (even though the best in the legion are not amongst their ranks as per Betrayer - Kargos, Khârn, Delvarus etc)

 

Ultramarines: Invictus Guard (The Tetrarchs could be considered but there's only 4 of them so can't count as a legion formation

 

Death Guard: Death Shroud

 

Thousand Sons: Scarab Occult

 

Sons of Horus: Justaerin 

 

Word Bearers: Gal Vorbak (prior to Cadia there might have been something else but after that, these guys were top dogs)

 

Salamanders: Pyre Guard

 

Raven Guard: Mor Deythan

 

Alpha Legion: Hard one this, probably Lernaean given they were commanded by a senior captain like Ranko however the Effrit Stealth Squad deserve a mention given who captains them....

[Atia]

Imperial Fists: Templars; Phalanx Warden; Huscarls as Bodyguard for Dorn

Do you have an actual source for this?

I ask, because I have yet to see this presented in any form (even being hinted at) in any official source. Its certainly not mentioned in HH Bk3 - Extermination. Which would be the ideal place to put something like that, given that the Imperial Fists are one of the featured Legions and their organisation is discussed in detail.

not sure, but i think lightning tower

[Marshal Rohr]

Archamus is just Dorn's adjutant. He's got a squad of dudes apparently. They are mentioned in blood games. It's likely these are just the Phalanx Warders who accompy Dorn on small missions.