skeletoro Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Looking at the Contemptor variants, it really seems that the space wolves one is not so hot compared with the contemptor mortis. A couple of reasons: 1) The Night Sagas are rather crappy (about the best we can get is counterattack) but you're forced to pay 10 points for one. 2) None of the special wolves armoury options are particularly enticing (IMO) and we miss out on some of the good vanilla options (like BS 5) 3) Mortis gets skyfire (while stationary) which means so much more in 6th than it did in 5th. Do you agree? Does the space wolves contemptor have any redeeming features in your view? It's almost worth taking a couple as allies... but I'm not that keen on investing in an HQ + 2 troops just to accomplish that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I am still inclined to get one or two partially for fluff, part because they look great and also because when used they can still wreck stuff easily (especially the Saga that makes them better vs other walkers is incredibly useful vs GKs) - I am still likely to get a coupla others (again for fluff as I'm going to do a 30k Death Guard force and have just started a 2000pt Dark Angels Successor, plus I'm going to end up with an Imp. Fists successor army as well).... I would put more but my book is 'lost' for christmas haha - I've been banned from doing models for the next 3 days until christmas is over with :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3268593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 I am still inclined to get one or two partially for fluff, part because they look great and also because when used they can still wreck stuff easily (especially the Saga that makes them better vs other walkers is incredibly useful vs GKs) - I am still likely to get a coupla others (again for fluff as I'm going to do a 30k Death Guard force and have just started a 2000pt Dark Angels Successor, plus I'm going to end up with an Imp. Fists successor army as well).... I would put more but my book is 'lost' for christmas haha - I've been banned from doing models for the next 3 days until christmas is over with :huh: I can't see it being worth it engaging in melee with any other walker that also has any kind of dreadnought close combat weapon. Sure, you're likely to destroy it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's also very likely to destroy your contemptor. Especially if you've spent a lot more points on your model. For example, I really can't see it ever being worth charging a vanilla dreadnought. It's practically a mutually ensured destruction scenario, but you've paid close to twice the points! Or am I missing something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3268605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I am still inclined to get one or two partially for fluff, part because they look great and also because when used they can still wreck stuff easily (especially the Saga that makes them better vs other walkers is incredibly useful vs GKs) - I am still likely to get a coupla others (again for fluff as I'm going to do a 30k Death Guard force and have just started a 2000pt Dark Angels Successor, plus I'm going to end up with an Imp. Fists successor army as well).... I would put more but my book is 'lost' for christmas haha - I've been banned from doing models for the next 3 days until christmas is over with :) I can't see it being worth it engaging in melee with any other walker that also has any kind of dreadnought close combat weapon. Sure, you're likely to destroy it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's also very likely to destroy your contemptor. Especially if you've spent a lot more points on your model. For example, I really can't see it ever being worth charging a vanilla dreadnought. It's practically a mutually ensured destruction scenario, but you've paid close to twice the points! Or am I missing something? Regular Dread - 105pts Assault Cannon, DCCW w/ Stormbolter, 2A @ 10+d6 (AP2) Contemptor Dread - 265pts DCCW w/ H.Flamer, DChainfist w/ H.Flamer, Cyclone Missile Launcher, 3A @ 10+2d6 (AP2), Saga of the Iron God, Wolf Toot Necklace, Wolftail Talisman Regular Dread with FAV 12, 2A: - hits on a 4+. - Glances on a 3. - Penetrates on a 4+. - Contemptor gets a 6+ Invulnerable Save. - Rolls a Destroyed result on a 5+. Averages .555 Hull Points per Combat turn. Has a 13.8% chance of rolling Destroyed on the damage table. Contemptor Dread with FAV 13, 3A: - hits on a 3+. - Glances on a 2 on 2d6. - Penetrates on a 3+ on 2d6. - Rolls a Destroyed result on a 4+. Average 2.001 Hull Points per Combat turn. Has a 97.25% chance of rolling Destroyed on the damage table. And that's not counting the advantage of a 2X 48" S8 vs 4X 24" S6 Rending, or factoring in charges or Fleet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3268644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 This. Or you can run him with the Saga of the Black Cull - gives him Furious Charge, or the other is Saga of the Forsaken One - gives him Counter-Attack at LD10. imo. if I was facing a footslogging army I'd go two DCCWs w/ HFs (3 Attacks base and 2 Heavy Flamer templates), a Cyclone ML, Black Cull Saga and Extra Armour - 255pts but give him a Lucius (yes that's another 70pts) and watch the havoc they wreak. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3268721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted December 24, 2012 Author Share Posted December 24, 2012 Ah, thanks for that, dswanick. I hadn't done the calculations in my head and totally hadn't anticipated the difference being so profound. Note that giving the vanilla dreadnought the charge does make a difference, but even still, the odds are clearly stacked pretty heavily in favour of the contemptor. Nice! Russ Brother, I don't think Black Cull does anything anymore - just gives +1 strength, right? Furious Charge changed in 6th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3268777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Ah, thanks for that, dswanick. I hadn't done the calculations in my head and totally hadn't anticipated the difference being so profound. Note that giving the vanilla Russ Brother, I don't think Black Cull does anything anymore - just gives +1 strength, right? Furious Charge changed in 6th. Nope, Furious Charge is useless on a S10 dreadnought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3268784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 ahh true forgot that - brain was still thinking +1I = I5 Dread ;) tis a shame :blush: well in that case it's either Iron God or Forsaken One and I do like the idea of Counter-Attack on a contemptor haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3268813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Wow i to did not relise how awsome they are, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3268901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysquigg Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Been running one for a while now and they win most of the time so long as you don't just use them as a tar pit. Work great supporting a squad of GH. GS Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3268971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 whats a tar pit, I hardly game hence my lack of tactical know how Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3269260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greysquigg Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Basically, a model that will hold up a squad. As if you where walking through a pit of tar. Or humous. GS Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3269264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted December 24, 2012 Author Share Posted December 24, 2012 A hummus pit. Nice. How about a cheese pit? Fondue! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3269350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 haha indeed... ++ Transmission from Alpha Sector - Lorn V - Bran Redmaw's Great Company ++ Sir... We have men pinned down schhhh it'scch a tar... a mixed cheesssccch... cheeses sirrr... they're all around us... it's like wading... wading through hummus... ++ End Transmission ++ and back OT I think the new Legion Contemptor Talon (3 Contemptors in one unit) would be brutal if you gave them the Iron God night saga Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268371-contemptor-mortis/#findComment-3269363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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